Wednesday, July 1 2020 - Constitution Study Group - Origins - The Federalists and Anti-federalists Papers

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hello everybody happy Wednesday it's
July first
seriously already oh my god more than
halfway through the year it's incredible
hope everybody's having a beautiful day
it's beautiful here sunny back to being
hot we had a nice Monday the temp drop
it dropped to like 88 degrees was the
high we were like at like 82 all day
long it was pretty incredible but always
grateful to have the heat so today this
Constitution study group it's Wednesday
I've committed myself to this I
appreciate if you're watching this
sticking around this today it's gonna be
good today's a little bit more of a
history lesson and I will go into a
little bit of an introduction of some of
the you know the beef of what we're
talking about but I'll be introducing
the origin of the Constitution where all
of the ideas and the overarching themes
came from for the Constitution which is
the Federalists and the anti-federalists
papers so I get a little bit of history
on those and then I'm gonna I'm gonna
read a couple two different Federalist
Papers two of the 85 Federalist Papers I
will read and will look over one of them
is said to be the most important
Federalist paper that's Federalist paper
number 10 so I'll just give a look at
that one and then Federalist paper 29
I've come to learn is a good it's the
paper that basically the militia was
based on and I know I spent a lot of
time last week talking pretty naively
about militia and it's and the second
amendment in the Constitution our right
to bear arms as well as our police force
I talked about that last week and
realized that there's a lot of context
that needs to be provided to have a
solid conversation around the Second
Amendment and what is a militia and what
is where our current forms of militia
you know I think that very interesting
so we'll get into that isn't he going
drink some teeth so yes the Constitution
based it the Constitution is actually
not the very first document that was
created after America's independence
after the Revolutionary War the first
argument was actually the Articles of
Confederation and there were a lot of
holes and I wouldn't say holes it's just
like when you're first building
something and first figuring navigating
something then figuring something out
you have to like leave a lot of room for
evolution and learning things I think
that was a big part of it but from what
she can read you know in the history
books the major problems was dealing
with like America's position and the
global in global politics and its
strength and protecting itself and and
interacting well within the global
community and you know the big argument
was about
should we centralize our power as a
governments to to do this or should we
decentralize and so those two factions
is what's made up of the Federalists and
the anti-federalists papers and those
were all published from was that 1787
you know before the Constitutional
Convention where you know the
Constitution was actually drafted and it
was almost like a vote between these two
fractions which way are we going to go
although there are there are certain
elements of the Constitution that do
pool from the anti-federalists papers
which I've come to learn that actually
the Bill of Rights was something that
was argued against and the Federalist
Papers so I'll show you that for another
another show maybe that'll be the next
one I'll look at that bill
brights Federals paper which I believe
was Federalist paper number 84 Hamilton
everybody Hamilton he wrote and
Federalist 84 against you know the
importance of writes foreign citizen but
you know contrary to what was written
there he actually ended up being the one
to draft to the Bill of Rights even
though he originally disagreed with it
so that's pretty cool that's pretty cool
I mean I'm sure there's so much to try
to like read and learn the context of
this going on so 1788 1788 at seventeen
eighty-nine like this is a long time ago
but 200 years ago
you know navigating all this this new
stuff for us so the Federalist Papers
are written by just three people and
they're arguing for a stronger
centralized federal government
well the anti-federalist papers were
written by a vast community of people
and because the anti-federalist loss as
usually happens with this history the
anti-federalist papers themselves were
actually lost you know due to their
decentralized state they weren't
compiled and reported the same way that
the Federalist Papers were the
Federalist Papers were written by three
people and were predominantly published
like in the same place and then they
were formally published as its own you
know document as its own book
essentially which is what we can read
now it's 85 different papers it's huge
you know my friend taymiyah when you
know she's been seeing me do all of
these constitution study groups and you
know she really let me know how naive I
was lost
last week and talking
about the Second Amendment but what am I
to do you know I'm just trying to figure
this out and I don't mind being
vulnerable and letting you guys see this
as as I'm navigating all of it I think
that's the firewood tree I have all my
teas from the taste the PLT
class series that I was doing all the
leftover teas from from every one of my
classes are here so I just keep randomly
picking a different cup Oh Serena I keep
packed pad picking up just like a random
cup of different teas so today I'm
having fire with green from Heritage the
lovely tea you like smoked teas this is
not smoke it's not heavily smoked it
subtly lightly smoked is really Pleasant
so you know it's really interesting kind
of like researching or not hardly should
say it's researching I'm just like
pulling up some things and you know a
lot of the stuff that I'm reading I'm
like reading it fresh right here so I'm
like I'm like researching with you guys
I'm learning with you guys I'm not a
teacher I am only a student just sharing
my experience with everybody but in
looking at the that kind of conflict
between the Federalists and the
anti-federalists it's almost very
similar to what we're dealing with now
you know and not necessarily Democrat
versus Republican because it could be
said that the the Democrats and the
Republicans are you know or though that
the political parties you know the
organizations that you know really are
controlling who's in office and what's
going on and what kind of laws are being
created at the time those are pretty
Federalists oriented you know
philosophies it would be more of like
the I shouldn't say an Argus that's not
the right to the right term but you know
I think that there's a growing community
of people right now that are extremely
interested and maybe not a third party
but interested in kind of scrappy and
the whole bipartisan thing and and
really kind of distributing the the
power and everything between you know
the states and between the local
governments and kind of doubting the the
community interest and real authentic
interesting community of the centralized
federal government you know being
doubtful and I think there's a lot of
people especially the younger generation
now maybe that's just a thing maybe
that's just a generational thing because
it seems like whenever I was younger
there was also that same like whenever I
was like Gen Z age when I was in college
and very young you know I also had a
very similar kind of perception of
federal government's and I still do
actually so I'm actually going to put
the time into reading the
anti-federalist papers and it's
interesting the anti-federalist papers
for the most part were pretty much like
lost until like the 1960s I think there
was somebody that there was like a
historian that started compiling things
together and there are 63 anti-federal I
know oh there's only 16 no maybe I don't
know there they that's because the
anti-federalist papers were written by
so many different people and published
across so many different platforms
there's not the same kind of like
numbering system that the high tier a
good to see you there's not the same
kind of numbering system that we have
with the Federalist Papers Pharos papers
are very easy to follow although there
is a pretty cool little chart I'm
looking at right now that has a
different subject so here in the main
and there's like federalist papers and
anti-federalist papers that correspond
to each subject so the need for stronger
Union and the Union is more referring to
the Federal Union link the union of the
different states Bill of Rights nature
and powers of the Union responsibilities
and checks and self-governments extent
of Union states rights Bills of Rights
taxation extended Republic's taxation
broad conception broad construction
taxing powers defense standing armies
the digit cherie government resting on
the people executive power regulating
elections House of Representatives
Senate the Senate and the representation
and House of Representatives in Senate
so yeah though something else I didn't
say earlier that one of the issues that
the early American government was having
was on taxation and was on you know the
the ability of the Senate or the
Congress to do you know to pass laws so
that's why you see tax is a big part of
several of these different subjects so
that's what they were trying to figure
out in this new document that they were
creating so what I want to read today is
Federalist paper number 10 which and you
know all the articles I've written
articles that I've read today has
identified a Federalist paper number 10
to be like the most foundational of what
ended up becoming the Constitution okay
so Terry recommends about Hamilton and
Hamilton is you know one of the main
writers of the Federalist Papers and so
that you know backbone of the
Constitution she recommends reading a
which thank you for that Terry I'll
check it out two books actually the
first one is my dear Hamilton which is a
novel and then Ron sure knows biography
of Hamilton yeah that could be
interesting and with Hamilton movie
coming out that's kind of cool to kind
of popularizing and bringing this topic
to the mainstream I think is really
very cool oh my as a Hamilton I am not
familiar with Hamilton but I look
forward to to reading that I think it's
good okay so that was his wife I love
her pictures I love her foot is
beautiful okay I'm gonna get to it so
I'll start with number 10 and then after
number 10 oh this one looks long
actually so maybe I'll just
you'll do that next time because I did
want to talk about the militia stuff
today because I know I did a pretty
half-baked job last week and talking
about it and my friend had told me that
that was a priority to understand what
militia was and the context and I think
if we do that then we can you know
better you know I think that this is
actually a good place to have a
conversation around gun laws or not even
just laws like I I think that we could
be very effective in solving a lot of
the problems around violets just by
having like cultural understanding
between one another sometimes laws are
necessary to do that Eliza was a mare is
amazing yeah I look forward to reading
her story just I read a little bit just
now what I started turning she started a
orphanage so I'm sure she did a lot of
you know community work and having a
husband like her you know I'm sure she
totally in tonight what an exciting time
you know to be to be in that and in that
kind of relationship of influence during
a time of not only revolution but
history-making history of like humanity
not even just like history lead general
history like we could say everything
that we're doing is history and could
potentially you know be written in a
history book but to like be the first
ever to forge a new way forge a new
culture and you know we're in those
trends now which is exciting and that's
why I'm doing this practice now cuz I
really feel like we are you know on the
tipping point of some really major stuff
happening and even you know borders
changing and governments changing and
new ideologies taking over you know and
kind of the power that the decentralized
voice has acquired over the past decades
due to the internet and modern
technology you know information sharing
abilities pretty incredible you know
during the time of the Federalist Papers
in the attack Federalist Papers I'm sure
the anti-federalists were you know at a
great disadvantage of of winning that
argument because anti-federalists
requires distribution so that the power
is among everybody versus the power
being among you know the centralized
just a few and at a time where
communication technologies were
extremely limited you know how do you a
great that that influence without the
internet without you know
and so that's why I think it's really
important that we we power up what we're
doing because we could we couldn't we
can actually has we have the tools now
to to bring that power together so yeah
I'm gonna go ahead and jump into number
nine twenty nine if I have time
afterwards then I'll go back to ten so
it's titled concerning the militia from
the daily advice advertiser so that was
one of the newspapers that these papers
were written it was written on Thursday
January 10th 1788 by Alexander Hamilton
to the people of the state of New York
the power of regulating the militia and
of commanding its services and times of
insurgents that insurrection and
invasion are natural incidents to the
duties of superintending the common
defense and of watching over the
internal peace of the Confederacy
it requires no skill in the science of
war to discern that uniformity in the
organization and discipline of the
militia would be attended with the most
beneficial effects whatever they were
called into service for the public
defense it would enable them to
discharge the duties of the camp and of
the field with mutual intelligence and
concert and advantage of the peculiar
moments and the operations of an army
and it would fit them much sooner to
acquire the degree of proficiency in
military functions which would be
essential to their usefulness this
desirable uniformity can only be
accomplished by confided the regulation
of the militia to the direction of the
National Authority it is therefore with
the most evident propriety that the plan
of the convention proposes to empower
the Union to provide for organizing
arming and disciplining the militia and
for governing such part of them as may
be employed in the service of the United
States reserving to the States
respectively the appointment of the
officers and the authority of training
and the militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress of the
different grounds which have been taken
in opposition to the plan of the
convention there is none that was so
little to have
suspected or so untenable in itself as
the one from which this particular
provision has been attacked
if the well-regulated militia be the
most natural defense of a free country
it ought certainly to be under the
regulation and at the disposal of that
body which is constituted the guardian
of the national security of standing our
means are dangerous to Liberty and a
fish at the Katia's power over the
militia in the body to whose care the
protection of the state is committed
different kind of force if it cannot
avail itself of the former it will be
obliged to recur to the latter to render
an army and necessary will be a more
certain method of preventing as
existence than a thousand prohibitions
upon paper in order to cast a noti'm
upon the power of calling forth the
militia to execute the laws of the Union
it has been remarked that there is
nowhere any provision in the proposed
Constitution for calling out the pass a
committee Titus to assist the
magistrates and the execution of his
duty once it has been inferred that
military force was intended to be his
only auxilary there is a striking
incoherence and the objections which
have appeared and sometimes even from
the same quarter
not much calculated to inspire a very
favorable opinion of the sincerity or
fair dealing of their authors the same
persons who tell us in one breath that
the powers of the federal government
will be despotic and unlimited inform us
in the next that it has not a thorn
Authority sufficient enough to call out
the Posse Comitatus I'm gonna see what
that is
I don't even know that is passe it looks
like Latin
it was science 1780 78 by President
Hayes the purpose which is continued the
limited powers federal government in
these federal military personnel to
enforce domestic policies okay that
makes sense so the separating the
military from the militia okay so back
to this the latter fortunately is as
much short of the truth that the former
exceeds it it would be as absurd to
doubt that a right to pass all laws
necessary and proper to execute its
declared powers would include that of
requiring the assistance of the citizens
to the officers who may be entrusted
with the execution of those laws as it
would be a belief that a right to enact
laws necessary and proper for the
imposition and collection of taxes would
involve that of varying the rules of
descent and the alienation of landed
property or of abolishing the trial by a
jury in cases related to it it being
therefore evidence that the supposition
of a wanted power to require the aid of
the Posse Comitatus is entirely
destitute of color it will follow that
the conclusion which has been drawn from
it and its application to the authority
of the federal government over the
militia is own candid as it is illogical
what reason could there be to infer that
force was intended to be the sole
instrument of authority merely because
there is a power to make use of it when
what shall we think of the motives which
can induce men of sense to reason in
this manner
how shall we prevent a conflict between
charity and judgments by a curious
refinement upon the spirit of Republican
jealousy we are even taught to apprehend
danger from the militia itself in the
hands of the federal government it is
observed that several Corp may be formed
composed of the young and ardent who may
be rendered subservient to the views of
arbitrary power what plan for the
regulation of the militia may be pursued
by the national governments
is it possible to be foreseen but so far
from viewing the matter in the same
light with those who object to select
course and they dangerous when where the
Constitution ratified and were I to
deliver my sentiments to a member of the
federal legislature from the state on
the subject of a militia establishment I
was always sure I should hold to him in
substance the following discourse the
project of disciplining all the militia
the United States is a futile as it
would be an injurious if it were capable
of being carried into execution a
tolerable expertness and military
movements the business that requires
time and practice it is not a day or
even a week that will suffice for the
attainment of it to apply to oblige the
great body of the Ewell memory and of
the other classes of the citizens to be
under arms of the purpose of going
through military exercises and
evolutions as often as might be
necessary to acquire the degree of
perfection which would entitle them to
be the character of a well-regulated
militia would be the real grievance to
the people and a serious public
inconvenience and loss it would form an
annual deduction from the productive
labor of the country to an amount which
calculating upon the presence number
present numbers of the people would not
fall short of the whole expense of the
civil establishments of the states to
attempt a thing which would abridge the
massive labor and Industry to so
considerable an extent would be unwise
and the experiments if made would not
because it would not long be endeared
little more little more can reasonably
be aimed at with respect to the people
at large then to have the properly armed
and equipped and in order to see that
this not be neglected it will be
necessary to assemble them once to twice
in the course of the year there was a
word in there I want to look up
I'm guessing from the contexts it's like
a group of men who are a healthy and
captive captivated small landed estates
okay it's a volunteer Calvary force
raised from the yeoman Mary and Britton
so it's British so it's like voluntary
Calgary that makes sense but though the
scheme of disciplining the whole nation
must be abandoned as mischievous or
impractical yet in the matter of the
utmost importance that a well digested
plan should as soon as possible will be
adopted for the proper establishment of
the militia the attention of the
government sought particularly to be
directed to the formation of a select
Corps of moderate extent upon such
principles as will really fit them for
service in case of need by the
circumscribing the plan it will be
possible to have an excellent body of
well-trained militia ready to take the
whenever the defense of the state shall
require it this will not only lessen the
call for military establishments but as
circumstances should at any time oblige
the governments to form an army of any
magnitude that army can never be
formable to the liberties of the people
while there's a large body of citizens
little if at all inferior to them and
discipline and the use of arms who stand
ready to defend their own rights and
those of their fellow citizens this
appears to me the only substitute that
can be devised for a standing army and
the best possible security against it if
I should exist it should exist thus
differently from the adversaries of the
proposed Constitution should I reason on
the same subject deducing arguments
safety from the very sources which they
represent as fraught with danger and
perdition but how the natural national
debt legislature may reason on the point
is a thing which neither they nor I can
foresee there is something so far
fetched and so extravagance in the idea
of danger to Liberty from the militia
that one at a loss whether to treat it
with gravity or with raillery whether to
consider it's a mere trial of skill like
the paradoxes of renditions as a in
disingenuous artifice and still
prejudice at any price whereas serious
offspring of political Fanta sysm we're
in the names of common sets our fears
and if we may or we may not trust our
sons our brothers our neighbors our
fellow citizens
what shadow danger can there be for men
who are daily mingling with the rest of
their countrymen and who participate
with them and their same feeling
sentiments habits and interests what
reasonable costs of apprehension can be
inferred from the power in the unions to
prescribe regulations for the militia
and to command services when necessary
well the particular states are not to
have the sole and exclusive appointments
of the officers if it were possible
Syria if it were possible seriously to
indulge a jealousy of militia upon any
conceivable establishment under the
federal governments the circumstance of
the officers being in the appointments
of the states ought at once to
extinguish it there could be no doubt
that the circumstance will always secure
to them a preponderance over the militia
and reading many of the publication's
against the Constitution a man is apt to
imagine that he is perusing so ill
written tale or romance which instead of
natural and agreeable images exhibits to
the mind nothing but frightful and
distorted shapes Gorgons hydras and the
chimer 'as dire discoloring and
whatever it represents and transforming
everything it touches to a monster on
that's interesting a sample of this can
be observed in the exaggerated and
improbable suggestions which have taken
place respecting the power of calling
for the services of the militia that of
New Hampshire is to be marched to
Georgia to New Hampshire of New York to
Kentucky and of Kentucky to Lake
Champlain nay the debts due to the
French and Dutch are to be paid in
militiamen instead of looted or it's
French I'm sorry I can't read French you
see what this is
dude or the cut and cut you guys keep it
yeah it's like French money okay I still
don't get it in that context boy ya be
paid militias and instead of that fuckin
at one moment there is to be a large re
to lay a prostate the liberties of the
people at another moment the militia
Virginia are to be dragged from their
homes five or six hundred miles to tame
the Republican Konkani maseeh of
Massachusetts and that of Massachusetts
is to be no French here yeah me neither
is to be transported in the equal
distance to subdue the refractory
haughtiness of the air static
aristocratic Virginians do the persons
who rave at this rate imagine that their
arts or their eloquence can oppose any
conceits or absurdities upon the people
of America for infallible truths if
there should be an army to make use of
an engine of despotism what need of the
militia if there should be no army
whither with the militia irritated by
being called upon to undertake a
distance and a hopeless expedition for
the purpose of riveting the chains of
slavery upon a part of their countrymen
direct their course but to the seats of
the tyrants who have meditated so
foolishly as well as so we get a project
to crush them and there imagine
entrenchments power and to make them an
example of the just vengeance of the
abuse and incensed people is this the
way in which absurd tsipras striked to
dominion over a numerous and enlightened
nation do they begin an excited and
destination do they begin by exciting
the destination of the very instruments
of their intended you sir you sir
patience words I never get to use do
they usually commence their career by
wanton and disgustful acts of power
calculated to answer no end but to draw
to draw upon uncover of all ambition
I'm sorry to skip the line I'm gonna
read that sentence again do they usually
commence their career by wanting and
discussed and discussed 'fl acts of
power calculated to answer no end but to
draw upon themselves universal hatred
and execration our suppositions of this
sort the sober M admonitions of
discerning Patriots to a discerning
people or are they be inflammatory
ravings of setting Ares or distemper'd
enthusiasts if we were even to suppose
the national rulers actuated by the most
ambition it is impossible to believe
that they would employ such preposterous
means to accomplish their designs in
times of insurrection or invasion it was
being that it would be natural and
proper that the militia of a
neighbouring state should be marching
into another to resist a common in many
enemy or to guard the Republic against
the violence of faction or sedation this
was frequently the case and respect to
the first object in the course of the
late war and this mutual succor is
indeed a principle end to our political
association if the power of affording it
to be placed upon the direction of the
Union will there be no danger of a
supine and listless and attend attention
to the dangers of a neighbor till it
near approach has superadded the
incitements of self-preservation to the
too feeble impulses of duty and sympathy
Publius Publius that's how he signed it
so he ended all of his papers with that
Publius definition is was used by both
partition and fallopian families and was
very common at all periods of Roman
it gave rise
yeah I still don't get it maybe y'all
get in in time
he was anonymous so that was his sign
off of an Amana tea that's interesting
I'm trying to read somewhere here so I
can get it accurate
oh you're right so that was like the
anonymous like author pseudonym between
the two those three guys Hamilton
Madison and J that's so cool
so now that was it that was the whole
twenty ninth one talking about militia
so obviously there was like an argument
and I want to hear I want to see if it's
short enough I'll look at it
so let's see Brutus number 10 is the
anti-federalist Thank You Terry for
helping me with that I know I'm so like
a knowledgeable on this but do you go to
learn sometime right
this one's pretty long not three another
time the people of the state of Muir the
liberties of the people are in danger
from a large standing army not only
because the rulers may employ them for
the purposes of supporting themselves
and any surfacer tations of power which
they may see proper to exercise but
there is great hazard that an army will
subvert to the forms of government under
whose authority they are raised and
establish one according to the pleasure
of the leader we are informed in the
faithful patient pages of history of
such events frequently happening to
instances that have been mentioned in a
form of paper they are so remarkable
that there are worthy of the most
careful attention of every lever of
freedom they are taken from the history
of the two most powerful nations that
have ever existed in the world and who
are the most renowned for the freedom
they enjoy and the excellency and their
I mean Rome and Britain in the first the
liberties of the Commonwealth was
destroyed and the Constitution
overturned by an army led by Julius
Caesar who was appointed to the command
by the constitutional authority of that
Commonwealth he changed it from a Free
Republic whose fame has sounded and is
still celebrated by all the world into
the mode into that of the most absolute
despotism a standing army effected this
change and a standing army supported it
through a succession of Ages which are
marked by the in all's of history with
the most horrid cruelties bloodshed and
carnage the most devilish beastly and
unnatural vices of ever public punished
or disgraced human nature I need to join
a book club then that would like that
would keep me on top of this I'm always
so like and this is like in the new
Information Age
I'm always so like interested in keeping
up with what's you know going on online
and so I don't read books too often but
I do love reading books
I think I'm going to get back to this
the same army that in Britain vindicated
liberties of that people from the
encroachments and despotism of a tyrant
king assisting Cromwell the general and
wrestling from the people that Liberty
that they so dearly earned you may be
told these instances will not apply to
our case but those who have persuade you
to believe this either mean two deceit
to you or at Seaview or have them not
have not themselves considered the
subject I firmly believe no country in
the world had ever a more patriotic army
than the one which so Abele served in
this country in the late war did I enjoy
tear oh I did very much yeah I just read
it in one sitting
I've been recommending it it was really
good and you know I like that kind of
writing like James mishear the guy that
writes all those historical fiction
novels about different states like
Hawaii and Alaska Texas he's like
written some nearly exciting stories
that are all based you know off of the
real stories but then having fictional
characters just like to girl yeah I love
reading like that I love learning
you know while while reading and I
actually like so the retail page that I
have tea nats people calm
I bought that URL over a year ago with
the intention of building a community
around writing a book together about tea
and you know telling the history of tea
and this would be a huge series because
there's so many different like
communities and people that have fallen
into the life of tea and so many
interesting stories that could be told
and I don't even want to focus on the
stories that have
already been told right the low-hanging
fruit would be you know to tell the
stories of Robert fortune and you know
the other famous legends of tea I really
want to dig deep and talk about the
story of like the origin of the seeds
you know those indigenous stories that's
are forgotten just like that panel you
know as part of yesterday and the way
that Lisa C wrote that book really was
like this is exactly you know the kind
of storytelling that I think T needs
more of you know and so you know the
fact that she doesn't want to write a
sequel I think it's fine actually she
finished that book very good I found the
ending to be you know quite rushed
that's fine yeah I'm gonna read you told
me about this my dear Hamilton I'm
definitely gonna read that I like
historical fiction you know but I don't
think there's definitely a lot more
stories that could be told around T that
I think she would do an incredible job
doing maybe she'll find that you know if
we keep inspiring her keep worrying
about TT just more about T because yeah
there was a lot to learn in that book
there was a lot to learn I mean this
this article is like much more about
military itself like I'm not trying to
talk about military I'm trying I'm
trying to like decipher what was the
militia and what was the context that
you know instigated a whole right to
bear arms for the pub the case of
militia let me see if it's in here if I
just do use a tool to find it worth the
addresses if there should be a
separation I mean he's obviously like
he's obviously like talking about
decentralizing the power of the military
while our buddy Hamilton was talking
more about centralizing that power and
the need to separate the militia from
the military and to formalize the roles
of the militia and you know what they
would do or not do so I mean in reading
this I have cleared out a couple of
questions that I had in my own mind
about what a militia is so yeah it is
at least when how Hamilton you know has
written in this paper and it's not
really written into the Constitution so
I guess we kind of have to base off of
this paper of like what was intended in
the meeting and in the Second Amendment
but I don't know I mean maybe I'll have
to like that's the National Guard I
think right so organized militia it's
the state militia forces the National
Guard and the naval militia a naval
militia and the United States is the
reserve a military organization
administered under the authority of the
state government is also often composed
of Navy Marine Corps and Coast Guard
reservists retirees and volunteers but
yeah that's like no National Guard it's
a part of the reserve components of the
US Army and in the US Air Force it is a
military reserve force composed of
National Guard militia military members
militia members or units of each state
and the territories of Guam the Virgin
Islands and Puerto Rico district or BIA
so here's just like the public opinion
the militia of the United States is
defined by the US Congress has changed
over time during colonial America all
body all able-bodied men of all ages
were members of the militia and that's
what Hamilton had said in his paper
depending on the respective states rule
individual towns formed local
malicious for their own defense the year
before the Constitution was ratified the
new constitution empowered Congress to
organize armed and disciplined this
national military force lead and
significant to control in the hands of
each state governments today as defined
by the militia act of 1903 the term
militia is used to describe two classes
within the u.s. so there's the organized
militia National Guard and the naval
militia and the unorganized militia
composed of reserved militia every abled
body of at least 17 in under 45 years of
age not a member of the National Guard
or naval militia so that's me that's
cool I'm part of I'm part of the
unorganized militia that's cool
a third militia is a state Defense Force
that is authorized by the state and
federal governments and that is a state
military state military forces State
Guard state militias state military
reserves Congress has organized National
Guard under its power to raise and
support armies and not its power to
provide for organizing arming and
disciplining the militia this Congress
chose to do in the interest of
organizing reserve military units which
were not limited in deployment by the
structures of its power over the
constitutional militia which can be
called forth only to execute the laws of
the Union suppress insurrections and
repel invasions the modern National
Guard was specifically intended to avoid
status as the constitutional militia
militia a distinction recognized by
title 10 of the u.s. code sorry my
so this is cool Wikipedia has a pretty
good article on militia and talking
about the evolution of what a militia
was from the colonial era to
Revolutionary War Confederate period to
now so I'll have to get more into this
this is very cool I'm learning so much
today but what is this unorganized
militia I'm not seeing if I find it that
article in it I guess I should just look
at u.s. code 10
time went for a clarity I think I don't
know if I'm gonna have time to go to
this Federalist paper number ten it's a
long one titled the Union as a safeguard
against domestic faction and
insurrection from the New York packet
you know I'll go over this this will be
next week I guess yeah it's been cool
though there's still not a whole lot
about this unorganized militia and what
kind of powers they have someone told me
to research you know and as far as like
as far as you know self organized
militia local community organized
militia how legal is that how
constitutional is that my friend says
it's not and that a good story to
research would be the the Black Panthers
because they were they were like a
community organized militia and the
government did not take care of them
definitely did not see them as being
losses article was this called
Constitution militia that's what the
website is called
oh that's interesting website I'll
totally get more but it has an article
here oxymoronic unorganized militia
notwithstanding that the clauses in the
original Constitution pertaining to the
militia the several states and the
second and fifth amendments I'll speak
in one clear and consistent what a
consistent voice and what
notwithstanding that they're all parts
of the self same supreme law of the land
which the Senators and Representatives
and Congress as well as the members of
several state legislatures and all
executive and judicial officers both in
the United States and several states
shall be bound by the open affirmation
to support the constitutional commands
remain unfulfilled worse yet
notwithstanding that the militia and
circle states are the constitutional
institutions which probably organized
properly organized with secure we the
people's right to keep in their arms and
maximize its political significance and
practical efficacy yet next to the
Americans know anything about them today
the reason for this justice story
pinpointed long ago story wrote in the
mid 1800s unfortunately his insight into
growing and difference among Americans
have proven all too prophetic for what
he recorded only in its beginnings have
come to pass in full in modern times
both respect the Second Amendment as
evidenced by the plethora of plainly
unconstitutional gun control statutes on
the books at the national state and
local levels and also to the even
greater degree with respect to the
militia causes of the Constitution as
evidenced by the way the general
government and states have cordoned off
as impotent and useless in the so-called
unorganized militia a huge portion of
population with next to no complaints
from anyone for the prime example the
foundational contemporary congressional
statute that proposed purports to deal
with the militia is fundamentally flawed
the militia the United States consists
of all able to bodies males of at least
17 years of age under 45 years of age
who are and who have made a declaration
of intention to become citizens in the
United States and female citizens in the
United States who are members of the
National Guard oh so what doesn't and
count me I have to
National Guard's drink militia all right
but I can be part of the unorganized
militia actually no that's what this
said female citizens only through the
organized militia but the classes of the
militia are the organized militia
consists of the National Guard and the
naval militia and the unorganized
militia with which consists of the
members of the militia who are not
members in the National Guard or naval
militia the problems are is that the
first the Constitution allows no militia
in the United States at all second and
evidenced by as evidenced by some 150
years of pre-constitutional American
the militia the several states should be
composed about least all males from 16
to 60 years old
third the Constitution allows for no
dichotomy between organized militia and
organized militia fourth the National
Guard and the naval militia cannot be
constitutionally constitutionally all
part any parts of the militia of the
several states Congress has left
what is it calls the unorganized militia
entirely unorganized unarmed
undisciplined and uncovered by any
statue of the general government by
consigning huge number of Americans to
the unorganized militia Congress
prevents itself and the president from
performing their constitutional duties
and leaving tens of millions of people
wholly unprepared okay so yeah I'm not
alone in feeling lost in this that there
is confusion and contradiction going on
the perp I marry purpose of the militia
is not simply military but ultimately
political in nature after all it is a
political power that grows out the
barrel of the gun the militia are
necessary to the security of a free
State and therefore without the militia
either a free State will lack security
or the security that does arrive from
some source will support a state that is
other than free indeed precisely because
militia are not only necessary to
security of every free state but also
integral parts of the Constitution's
federal system the likelihood is that
without the militia the entire
Constitution will fail and America's
present form of government will become
destructive of the ends from which it
was instituted yeah so these the this is
all just an organization you let me see
what this is like repeating the saying I
don't even know
it's an interesting website now the the
website doesn't give up a lot of
information about who the people behind
this but this is basically a campaign
talking about the constitutionality of
militia I mean I feel like if we're if
we're going to still have a conversation
animal space for the Second Amendment
and gun rights and allow people to
interpret the Second Amendment as their
right to bear arms and own guns and use
guns then we've got to talk about what
is militia and you know what is this
unorganized militia especially you know
because that you know the people that
are that are demanding their rights to
bear arms or people that aren't a part
of the organized militia but there's not
a whole lot of insight about what the
unorganized militia is and yeah anyway
this interesting interesting learning
today all right I think this is it for
me today pretty tired I was a lot of
reading these federalist papers are
gonna be pretty killer to get through so
I think I'll only be able to do like one
and every time there's 85 soap but you
know also every time I read one of the
Federalist Papers I think it's gonna be
really important to read that
counter-argument from the
anti-federalists paper and and
understand like the whole perspective of
what was going on because this is so
relevant to right now you know like
especially you know the business that we
do and the efforts that we have here at
tea lat are about the power of
decentralized power and distributed
power among everybody to create a more
mindful system a true capitalistic
system more business so we are you know
playing in capitalism and so you know we
advocate for decentralization
and this is exactly it I mean this this
is America's history of you know this
argument between the centralized and the
decentralized yeah they're reading it
aloud it helps yeah you're right I
probably would get lost if I was just
everything this is a book and just so
you know but like having this
interaction and having the questions
back before it definitely helps so Terry
thank you so much this is fun I've got
to cut off on Instagram so I'll see you
tea talks I'll see you then all right
all right guys it's been an hour an hour
of reading very nice stuff I appreciate
all of you I hope you have a beautiful
rest of your Wednesday and I'll see you
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