Thursday, June 11, 2020 - Tead Talks - Society, Education, & Privilege
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Sculpture painting jewelry and
industrial design Graphic
industrial design Graphic
Graphic like you had everything
Graphic like you had everything
so you would have a better
so you would have a better
understanding of different
understanding of different
professions that are out there
professions that are out there
within that field and then when
within that field and then when
you to University which
you to University which
majority is free and and it’s
majority is free and and it’s
actually illegal, not to finish
actually illegal, not to finish
high high school in It’s just
high high school in It’s just
like you you go to to to the
like you you go to to to the
universities and some of them.
universities and some of them.
The year of all of the
The year of all of the
different courses is the same,
different courses is the same,
so you are build up with the
so you are build up with the
you know knowledge that binds
you know knowledge that binds
you together and then you go
you together and then you go
and grow into your own into
and grow into your own into
your own. profession, but
your own. profession, but
there’s some a better
there’s some a better
understanding of what is out
understanding of what is out
there and you can you can still
there and you can you can still
change younger sister she she.
change younger sister she she.
She did and then she wasn’t too
She did and then she wasn’t too
sure if she wanted to go into
sure if she wanted to go into
science. She changed and went
science. She changed and went
to a high school that. hated it
to a high school that. hated it
so prefer arts and. to-night.
so prefer arts and. to-night.
It’s just a way of.
It’s just a way of.
personalizing the the the
personalizing the the the
system is so standardized and
system is so standardized and
often pushes people that don’t
often pushes people that don’t
fit the and and I’m not
fit the and and I’m not
interested like here in
interested like here in
Australia. I find that the
Australia. I find that the
educational system is really
educational system is really
lacking they students to
lacking they students to
promote or you. Behind and if
promote or you. Behind and if
you left behinds, then you have
you left behinds, then you have
traits that you can that you
traits that you can that you
can do and the very high regard
can do and the very high regard
as socially because it’s a
as socially because it’s a
country that is still
country that is still
developing and it’s still
developing and it’s still
building and they they do have
building and they they do have
apprentices for four years and
apprentices for four years and
look to the What we’re doing
look to the What we’re doing
and it’s not the universities
and it’s not the universities
similar to ours and. They they
similar to ours and. They they
do that for years to become a
do that for years to become a
of a model and they make quite
of a model and they make quite
a quite a lot of money. So this
a quite a lot of money. So this
is great divide in Australia in
is great divide in Australia in
terms of education. how high
terms of education. how high
can you a penny goes,
can you a penny goes,
especially because because now
especially because because now
it’s become a very americanized
it’s become a very americanized
and expensive to to do hide
and expensive to to do hide
education. But yeah, it’s it’s
education. But yeah, it’s it’s
it’s interesting to see that
it’s interesting to see that
different countries and the
different countries and the
repercussion. That the the the
repercussion. That the the the
education system has. I wish I
education system has. I wish I
could more education arts
could more education arts
during a high school because I
during a high school because I
as far as I could understand
as far as I could understand
but it happened the with me
but it happened the with me
when I was in high school here
when I was in high school here
in Ecuador the the first first
in Ecuador the the first first
year are like common and they
year are like common and they
use specialized so I went for
use specialized so I went for
science since I was young, I
science since I was young, I
wanted to be a doctor. I was
wanted to be a doctor. I was
sure.
And the only thing have is
And the only thing have is
they’re doing during a high
they’re doing during a high
school and even primary school.
school and even primary school.
I mean mean basic school, you
I mean mean basic school, you
know different names and
know different names and
different countries, but I used
different countries, but I used
to have a piece of I don’t know
to have a piece of I don’t know
a lot or and you had to put
a lot or and you had to put
bees and the signs of and I
bees and the signs of and I
hate it. I hate that it was.
hate it. I hate that it was.
For I start to to teach. with
For I start to to teach. with
when when I put in human beings
when when I put in human beings
that that goal is I know. when
that that goal is I know. when
I when when I a sock I I saw
I when when I a sock I I saw
like when when you took from a
like when when you took from a
surgery the only speech I so
surgery the only speech I so
that that only are they did to
that that only are they did to
me. It didn’t work I still
me. It didn’t work I still
speak to myself like it was
speak to myself like it was
after surgery. so. And the
after surgery. so. And the
other thing was was like we to
other thing was was like we to
to play basketball. Oh my God
to play basketball. Oh my God
and my size is like a a meter
and my size is like a a meter
and a I I don’t know how is in
and a I I don’t know how is in
in in the American measures so
in in the American measures so
without high heels my size and
without high heels my size and
as a meter and a half. so I’m
as a meter and a half. so I’m
not good enough. I’m good for
not good enough. I’m good for
basketball. I enjoy martial
basketball. I enjoy martial
arts. state and stuff, and they
arts. state and stuff, and they
encourage me to play basketball
encourage me to play basketball
so it was not good for I wish I
so it was not good for I wish I
could have other options but
could have other options but
then I when growing by growing.
then I when growing by growing.
that’s that’s what Aed me.
But not put the speeches.
I it’s all that it sounded like
I it’s all that it sounded like
it sounds like your path
it sounds like your path
provided you with it. give you
provided you with it. give you
a lot of autonomy to choose at
a lot of autonomy to choose at
least the frames at least
least the frames at least
choose the boxes which you
choose the boxes which you
played in. yeah that even if
played in. yeah that even if
they were putting even if they
they were putting even if they
were putting you into a a box
were putting you into a a box
and some way a lot of the
and some way a lot of the
education education systems do
education education systems do
you at least got to pick which
you at least got to pick which
box you went into? Yeah. I I
box you went into? Yeah. I I
was, think that I forgot to
was, think that I forgot to
mention in Australia they do
mention in Australia they do
have the possibility of you
have the possibility of you
choosing different subjects and
choosing different subjects and
adding it to your curriculum
adding it to your curriculum
and and I bring it to your but
and and I bring it to your but
I find actually to be conducive
I find actually to be conducive
because when you’re I mean in
because when you’re I mean in
some in some in some cases, not
some in some in some cases, not
everyone everyone of course who
everyone everyone of course who
might find something that they
might find something that they
really like and follow that as
really like and follow that as
a career and I just. That when
a career and I just. That when
you’re that young. you you
you’re that young. you you
don’t know the variety of
don’t know the variety of
professions in the of a field
professions in the of a field
that you you enjoy then have
that you you enjoy then have
you’re just you know I like
you’re just you know I like
like art because I like drawing
like art because I like drawing
or because like painting you
or because like painting you
don’t know about you know
don’t know about you know
jewelry design fashion designer
jewelry design fashion designer
and and it’s not at least there
and and it’s not at least there
and like a graphic designers
and like a graphic designers
and and and and who
and and and and who
Michelangelo. And things like
Michelangelo. And things like
just just it’s you but you need
just just it’s you but you need
that you need that that to the
that you need that that to the
context of the past present and
context of the past present and
to understand what is about to
to understand what is about to
come. So I feel like the the
come. So I feel like the the
people that I had throughout my
people that I had throughout my
life in in terms of teaching
life in in terms of teaching
they were so.
They were so they were so
They were so they were so
important they were so
important they were so
passionate they were and that’s
passionate they were and that’s
because the people that were
because the people that were
there attending their classes.
there attending their classes.
They were there because they
They were there because they
already had something in
already had something in
common. It wasn’t like they
common. It wasn’t like they
were being forced to there It.
were being forced to there It.
It’s very in at least since the
It’s very in at least since the
in in in - four educational
in in in - four educational
education was always seen as
education was always seen as
Improve yourself and to improve
Improve yourself and to improve
the quality of and your your
the quality of and your your
life’s so you you grow up with
life’s so you you grow up with
that everyone is going to go to
that everyone is going to go to
University because it’s it’s
University because it’s it’s
it’s free and it’s kinda
it’s free and it’s kinda
expected of you like you finish
expected of you like you finish
you finish high school
you finish high school
mandatory to to finish high
mandatory to to finish high
then although we do have some
then although we do have some
traits that earned to to
traits that earned to to
University for most people go
University for most people go
to University so in my case,
to University so in my case,
for example, I finished my Ma,
for example, I finished my Ma,
not my BA in 2008, that’s when
not my BA in 2008, that’s when
the economic crisis hit in in
the economic crisis hit in in
the and everyone was saying
the and everyone was saying
this is going to go away years.
this is going to go away years.
so I thought right well. I know
so I thought right well. I know
that I’m going to do Master’s.
that I’m going to do Master’s.
Eventually, of course, I would
Eventually, of course, I would
would love it to it under a
would love it to it under a
company and be paid for it, but
company and be paid for it, but
I’ll just do it now and then by
I’ll just do it now and then by
the end of it. they come. Would
the end of it. they come. Would
have would have
have would have
pass to
pass to it, which I think
pass to it, which I think
everyone can have the idea in
everyone can have the idea in
in so the majority of the
in so the majority of the
population is really educated.
population is really educated.
It’s gonna have a VA probably
It’s gonna have a VA probably
probably have a-b a in a
probably have a-b a in a
Masters yeah we even had a
Masters yeah we even had a
situation where our Prime
situation where our Prime
during the economic crisis.
during the economic crisis.
told us my generation. To go
told us my generation. To go
and work. outside of the
and work. outside of the
country and and then eventually
country and and then eventually
come back and rebuild Portugal
come back and rebuild Portugal
forces economy, and that’s
forces economy, and that’s
exactly what I’m.
That’s even in my in in my in
That’s even in my in in my in
which I think think we were 33
which I think think we were 33
and when I. moved to London.
Check back and I I can call
Check back and I I can call
we’re Portugal everyone else
we’re Portugal everyone else
left and from then I could
left and from then I could
spend 10 years now or more than
spend 10 years now or more than
10 years 12 years every single
10 years 12 years every single
time that I go back to my
time that I go back to my
hometown to Puerto when I used
hometown to Puerto when I used
to walk the streets of Porto, I
to walk the streets of Porto, I
would I would have to basically
would I would have to basically
like every 10 minutes. It’s say
like every 10 minutes. It’s say
hello to someone and now I can
hello to someone and now I can
go there every single day and
go there every single day and
not to anyone know. Which is
not to anyone know. Which is
very good pricing for me.
I think interesting.
Moving and that is so sometimes
Moving and that is so sometimes
it’s hard sometimes it’s sad,
it’s hard sometimes it’s sad,
but it’s interesting.
At least you’re educational
At least you’re educational
path was I I know spent time
path was I I know spent time
with the Peace Corps. I don’t
with the Peace Corps. I don’t
don’t when that was in your
don’t when that was in your
path, but it definitely seems
path, but it definitely seems
like. a path path at as far as
like. a path path at as far as
people that that I Yeah, No.
people that that I Yeah, No.
it’s a good one that was after
it’s a good one that was after
College. So that’s the thing
College. So that’s the thing
about the Corso. It’s a a
about the Corso. It’s a a
government program run by the
government program run by the
State Department. It’s pretty
State Department. It’s pretty
pretty much the opposite of
pretty much the opposite of
military but. Of the main
military but. Of the main
prerequisites that you have a
prerequisites that you have a
undergraduate degree and it’s
undergraduate degree and it’s
actually quite competitive to
actually quite competitive to
get into it, you know so it’s
get into it, you know so it’s
not something that like fresh
not something that like fresh
out of high school, school. you
out of high school, school. you
can say, Oh, I’m gonna go join
can say, Oh, I’m gonna go join
the Corps and become a hippie
the Corps and become a hippie
like you know kinda have to but
like you know kinda have to but
I grow up in two different
I grow up in two different
education systems that were
education systems that were
like very contrasting and they
like very contrasting and they
were both here in the US one
were both here in the US one
was in Texas and then one in
was in Texas and then one in
California yeah. so. In the US,
California yeah. so. In the US,
there’s much culture difference
there’s much culture difference
on where you grow up and you
on where you grow up and you
know treat their education
know treat their education
system in Texas, it was much
system in Texas, it was much
much more competitive that I
much more competitive that I
moved to California and like I
moved to California and like I
moved to California halfway
moved to California halfway
through my freshman year of
through my freshman year of
high school and it was like a
high school and it was like a
piece of cake you know once
piece of cake you know once
once I move over and it’s just
once I move over and it’s just
like became so and you know I
like became so and you know I
ended up ranking in the top of
ended up ranking in the top of
my class and I hardly even
my class and I hardly even
tried and then. Yeah, but the
tried and then. Yeah, but the
Peace Corp is definitely. so
Peace Corp is definitely. so
gratitude for that experience
gratitude for that experience
and so I anybody like any young
and so I anybody like any young
person even people like anybody
person even people like anybody
can apply actually of the
can apply actually of the
government has been doing some
government has been doing some
campaigns over the past decade
campaigns over the past decade
or so it’s an increase amount
or so it’s an increase amount
of retirees that joined the
of retirees that joined the
Corps. so it’s not just like
Corps. so it’s not just like
this useful you fresh College
this useful you fresh College
grad you know, click to into
grad you know, click to into
and travel around the world.
and travel around the world.
they’re really trying to
they’re really trying to
encourage you know people. I’m
encourage you know people. I’m
looking for something more
looking for something more
their life after career is
their life after career is
finished you know, do some
finished you know, do some
interesting work. my second
interesting work. my second
assignment There was a woman. I
assignment There was a woman. I
did two assignments. I did one
did two assignments. I did one
in Niger was Africa and then I
in Niger was Africa and then I
did one the Caribbean so the
did one the Caribbean so the
two two polar opposites of
two two polar opposites of
least developed to like the
least developed to like the
developed of all the peace core
developed of all the peace core
countries and in the in the
countries and in the in the
Caribbean when there was like
Caribbean when there was like
an 86 year-old woman in my
an 86 year-old woman in my
stash. That joined with us was
stash. That joined with us was
was pretty incredible. she she
was pretty incredible. she she
ended up lasting for a few
ended up lasting for a few
months but. there was a pretty
months but. there was a pretty
incredible two months of her
incredible two months of her
life. but so like so like
life. but so like so like
development work, you know they
development work, you know they
they put you into like a rural
they put you into like a rural
village somewhere you like live
village somewhere you like live
with the local people and a lot
with the local people and a lot
of that it’s kind kind of
of that it’s kind kind of
charity work or like nonprofit
charity work or like nonprofit
yeah you like work for a
yeah you like work for a
nonprofit like a doctors
nonprofit like a doctors
without borders or like that.
without borders or like that.
it’s very different than an NGO
it’s very different than an NGO
and it’s like. The reason I do
and it’s like. The reason I do
business the way that I do do
business the way that I do do
it, you cuz I don’t you money
it, you cuz I don’t you money
like an NGO they’ll come into
like an NGO they’ll come into
projects with money. They’re
projects with money. They’re
well funded they run extremely
well funded they run extremely
but it’s good that they’re all
but it’s good that they’re all
funded because then they can
funded because then they can
and they’ll go into places that
and they’ll go into places that
need work and kind of inject
need work and kind of inject
the project there and then
the project there and then
leave you know and and like
leave you know and and like
seed and education and
seed and education and
empowerment far important for
empowerment far important for
nonprofits. then. The business,
nonprofits. then. The business,
you know they are so well
you know they are so well
funded and that’s part of their
funded and that’s part of their
process their fundraising
process their fundraising
process is constantly. you
process is constantly. you
know, telling people what doing
know, telling people what doing
this project and that project
this project and that project
and that project and we’re
and that project and we’re
raising money to do this but
raising money to do this but
with but with the Peace they
with but with the Peace they
just like send you out with no
just like send you out with no
money and so like there’s so
money and so like there’s so
many walls that you have to
many walls that you have to
break down before you can even
break down before you can even
start connecting and because
start connecting and because
like in the village that I. And
like in the village that I. And
and and and all the surrounding
and and and all the surrounding
villages I’d like walk and try
villages I’d like walk and try
to go like introduce myself and
to go like introduce myself and
make some new friends there was
make some new friends there was
always like a White person.
always like a White person.
What do you bring for us? What
What do you bring for us? What
do you gonna what are you gonna
do you gonna what are you gonna
give us and that was a whole
give us and that was a whole
learning curve of how to
learning curve of how to
navigate that you know like how
navigate that you know like how
to navigate that ignorance and
to navigate that ignorance and
and tell them no, I didn’t
and tell them no, I didn’t
bring any money. I just bought
bring any money. I just bought
myself. you know so really
myself. you know so really
taught me a lot about how to
taught me a lot about how to
listen and you know how. The
listen and you know how. The
right things to the table to to
right things to the table to to
make things happen, so
make things happen, so
definitely the Peace Corps was
definitely the Peace Corps was
a very important part of my my
a very important part of my my
education. Yeah, we’re we’re
education. Yeah, we’re we’re
showing up see how you could be
showing up see how you could be
of service rather than up with
of service rather than up with
an agenda service. Yeah exactly
an agenda service. Yeah exactly
that’s a huge difference. for
that’s a huge difference. for
cuz I I have to say. I’m I see
cuz I I have to say. I’m I see
I see a lot of people going
I see a lot of people going
with the right intentions but
with the right intentions but
then ending up having. an
then ending up having. an
effect. It’s just it’s it’s
effect. It’s just it’s it’s
feeding the of poverty and
feeding the of poverty and
dependence instead of
dependence instead of
empowering them to get out of
empowering them to get out of
it and then you have to deal
it and then you have to deal
with other things like White
with other things like White
Savior complex and things like
Savior complex and things like
that And yeah, I I so prefer
that And yeah, I I so prefer
that I think that that a more
that I think that that a more
humane way or both reaching and
humane way or both reaching and
help people. Yeah. So you I
help people. Yeah. So you I
learn go ahead and learn I
learn go ahead and learn I
learn two different ways
learn two different ways
because. I studied in a
because. I studied in a
Catholic private only for for
Catholic private only for for
high school. you know.
Oh my God such a thing. It’s
Oh my God such a thing. It’s
very particular. I am not it
very particular. I am not it
doesn’t work with with me and I
doesn’t work with with me and I
think they are. I have nothing
think they are. I have nothing
against Church. I need to to
against Church. I need to to
say but doesn’t does not were
say but doesn’t does not were
in pain they wouldn’t. Bosco
in pain they wouldn’t. Bosco
style your hair Miss Vasquez
style your hair Miss Vasquez
Ving with your. Mid-july your
Ving with your. Mid-july your
nails that stuff and he doesn’t
nails that stuff and he doesn’t
work and we go to this this
work and we go to this this
meeting for graduate graduate
meeting for graduate graduate
high school amount of years
high school amount of years
ago. I won’t say how much. but
ago. I won’t say how much. but
we graduated time ago and we we
we graduated time ago and we we
were supposed to have this
were supposed to have this
meeting this year and I was
meeting this year and I was
like all these nuns are going
like all these nuns are going
to see me with my arms tattoo
to see me with my arms tattoo
to it. My ears and that stuff
to it. My ears and that stuff
and it’s going to be fun but I
and it’s going to be fun but I
couldn’t do it because of it,
couldn’t do it because of it,
but that is waiting maly I must
but that is waiting maly I must
confess but what what what what
confess but what what what what
is it coined of that? That was
is it coined of that? That was
the only chance for being in in
the only chance for being in in
working with people with. their
working with people with. their
what they did.
Those because we
30 -year-old from very very
30 -year-old from very very
previus high schools, we were
previus high schools, we were
supposed to teach them stuff
supposed to teach them stuff
but they they want us teach
but they they want us teach
what they and I think it wasn’t
what they and I think it wasn’t
fair because they wanted to
fair because they wanted to
play they wanted to they wanted
play they wanted to they wanted
to. Mayport to have fun and the
to. Mayport to have fun and the
and and they wanted to the
and and they wanted to the
Catholicism. and it was not was
Catholicism. and it was not was
not far or nothing for them at
not far or nothing for them at
their age. so it didn’t work
their age. so it didn’t work
for me but then then when I
for me but then then when I
finishing high school, I met
finishing high school, I met
this this medical groups
this this medical groups
mission trips USA and they.
mission trips USA and they.
Travel around my own country.
Travel around my own country.
doing medical work so it it was
doing medical work so it it was
what I really enjoy it because
what I really enjoy it because
I went to places of my own
I went to places of my own
country that didn’t even was
country that didn’t even was
able because they were far away
able because they were far away
in the in the the jungle they
in the in the the jungle they
were to go and perform surgery
were to go and perform surgery
there and I describe as a
there and I describe as a
translator because I was in
translator because I was in
high school, but then I went to
high school, but then I went to
med students. And it was it was
med students. And it was it was
very nice because I could
very nice because I could
people getting better and it
people getting better and it
helped to develop the community
helped to develop the community
because they’re held be
because they’re held be
in-group. That’s awesome. I
in-group. That’s awesome. I
think I think that’s my my. my
think I think that’s my my. my
issue with it is that. in in
issue with it is that. in in
Europe or at least in my
Europe or at least in my
experience
Different from I think because
Different from I think because
in other countries because
in other countries because
coming from from the that have
coming from from the that have
been in a a dictatorship with
been in a a dictatorship with
the first thing that we do when
the first thing that we do when
meet someone is talk about
meet someone is talk about
politics. talk about religion
politics. talk about religion
about the issues that might be
about the issues that might be
taboo or hush hush in in other
taboo or hush hush in in other
cultures, and but we do it way
cultures, and but we do it way
of what kind person that is, if
of what kind person that is, if
in tune with. And with our
in tune with. And with our
beliefs and how much different
beliefs and how much different
we into cultivating a
we into cultivating a
relationship with with and so
relationship with with and so
I’m really used to speaking
I’m really used to speaking
about religion and my issues
about religion and my issues
with it and I see a program
with it and I see a program
like that, I’m always really
like that, I’m always really
conflicted because there’s
conflicted because there’s
people that go into it and with
people that go into it and with
the right reasons and they’re
the right reasons and they’re
doing the right right thing and
doing the right right thing and
you know the with the medical
you know the with the medical
expertise and helping but then
expertise and helping but then
when. Learn about history when
when. Learn about history when
when you learn you know.
when you learn you know.
slavery or and you see the role
slavery or and you see the role
that that’s religion had into
that that’s religion had into
it and still wants to have in
it and still wants to have in
lots lots of cultures you start
lots lots of cultures you start
to wonder if they’re doing it
to wonder if they’re doing it
for. spreading their mindset or
for. spreading their mindset or
if it’s more spreading for
if it’s more spreading for
control control and of other
control control and of other
people’s culture cuz you go to
people’s culture cuz you go to
like the American Indians to to
like the American Indians to to
the. The Australian population
the. The Australian population
and really really colonized
and really really colonized
country in the in the first
country in the in the first
thing they do is indoctrinating
thing they do is indoctrinating
with in most cases because all
with in most cases because all
religion given them different
religion given them different
names feeding them to to speak
names feeding them to to speak
their language and to follow
their language and to follow
their own beliefs and watch for
their own beliefs and watch for
their their experience and can
their their experience and can
force them to become something
force them to become something
that they are not and then you
that they are not and then you
go to countries that are really
go to countries that are really
poor and know those are. It
poor and know those are. It
seems to have like a
seems to have like a
relationship with with the
relationship with with the
economy The the country is the
economy The the country is the
more religion and the more
more religion and the more
relationship becomes and then
relationship becomes and then
when you have countries like
when you have countries like
the the Philippines and
the the Philippines and
countries like that that’s when
countries like that that’s when
the pope is not allowed
the pope is not allowed
contraception and you know
contraception and you know
people just miserable lives
people just miserable lives
with of Bess and living in
with of Bess and living in
poverty. I just think that
poverty. I just think that
it’s. is manipulation. Of
it’s. is manipulation. Of
people and used as a control to
people and used as a control to
more than let’s all unite and
more than let’s all unite and
follow actual teachings that we
follow actual teachings that we
want everyone to believe that
want everyone to believe that
we do follow. My two cents it.
we do follow. My two cents it.
Powerful I appreciate those
Powerful I appreciate those
very much and appreciated
very much and appreciated
appreciated the frame of how
appreciated the frame of how
you with people by by assessing
you with people by by assessing
their beliefs after that kind
their beliefs after that kind
of a of a social in in present
of a of a social in in present
events, there’s Alexis
events, there’s Alexis
cancelled I can’t can’t say
cancelled I can’t can’t say
that name publisher article
that name publisher article
about what did you do? I’m
about what did you do? I’m
answering the question of like
answering the question of like
when this? When subsides and
when this? When subsides and
some new form of normal life.
some new form of normal life.
happens. people are gonna ask
happens. people are gonna ask
that question and many friends
that question and many friends
and he asked the question like
and he asked the question like
his child growing up and asking
his child growing up and asking
what did you do during that
what did you do during that
time? but hadn’t thought about
time? but hadn’t thought about
it about a conversations when
it about a conversations when
when we get back to
when we get back to
face-to-face coffee and stuff
face-to-face coffee and stuff
like that.
Thank you. God bless you. Yeah.
Thank you. God bless you. Yeah.
I know the context of our
I know the context of our
conversations even in casual
conversations even in casual
conversations can be very
conversations can be very
different now. Brian you know
different now. Brian you know
already noticed that I’ve
already noticed that I’ve
started socializing a little
started socializing a little
bit, not a lot a little bit. I
bit, not a lot a little bit. I
mean Las Vegas been open for
mean Las Vegas been open for
like a month. I’m gonna go eat
like a month. I’m gonna go eat
at my first restaurant today
at my first restaurant today
and like an an that’s really
and like an an that’s really
one of the reservation what
one of the reservation what
yeah restaurant called Limo
yeah restaurant called Limo
Leon It’’s a Peruvian ceviche
Leon It’’s a Peruvian ceviche
restaurant. my favorite
restaurant. my favorite
restaurant here in town and so.
restaurant here in town and so.
I’m but anyway, I’ve I started
I’m but anyway, I’ve I started
to dabble in socializing and I
to dabble in socializing and I
don’t know if it’s just me but
don’t know if it’s just me but
like all of my conversations
like all of my conversations
are Super intense, you know and
are Super intense, you know and
like like directly to the point
like like directly to the point
of talking, not necessarily
of talking, not necessarily
politics. I that’s just a ???
politics. I that’s just a ???
show in our country right but
show in our country right but
talking about like some of the
talking about like some of the
ethical things and something
ethical things and something
that’s been like a recurring.
that’s been like a recurring.
kind of of theme is like kind
kind of of theme is like kind
of the ethics. Like asking your
of the ethics. Like asking your
friends who they’ve been
friends who they’ve been
hanging out with. you know and
hanging out with. you know and
and it’s like it’s almost like
and it’s like it’s almost like
kind of the same same ethics
kind of the same same ethics
around like whenever you you
around like whenever you you
meet a new new lover and and
meet a new new lover and and
there’s like they oh do I need
there’s like they oh do I need
to tell tell you why I’m with
to tell tell you why I’m with
before you know or who I’m
before you know or who I’m
currently sleeping and and so I
currently sleeping and and so I
was like you’re talking with
was like you’re talking with
your your friends. It’s like to
your your friends. It’s like to
tell you who who I’ve been
tell you who who I’ve been
hanging out with and it’s well
hanging out with and it’s well
I kinda feel like you should.
I kinda feel like you should.
know now is the to come when we
know now is the to come when we
can pitch by buddies dot com.
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every man. It’s a really good
every man. It’s a really good
at commercial. We’ve been we’ve
at commercial. We’ve been we’ve
we’ve been talking about like I
we’ve been talking about like I
mean bought the domain and one
mean bought the domain and one
of our citizenss made of of
of our citizenss made of of
hilariously commercial jingle
hilariously commercial jingle
and we’ve been talking about.
and we’ve been talking about.
like what’s what’s the actual
like what’s what’s the actual
consent conversation and you
consent conversation and you
know don’t it’s hard to have a
know don’t it’s hard to have a
conversation like often do you
conversation like often do you
wear your mask and you know how
wear your mask and you know how
often you wash your hands and
often you wash your hands and
you come inside and have you
you come inside and have you
been in contact anyone like
been in contact anyone like
stuff that that people will
stuff that that people will
overestimate or lie about and
overestimate or lie about and
so we’re now thinking of like
so we’re now thinking of like
more heartfelt questions. I
more heartfelt questions. I
like you know, do you know
like you know, do you know
anyone who’s dying because and
anyone who’s dying because and
then and and then you know kind
then and and then you know kind
of like the problem where you
of like the problem where you
you start with a question of
you start with a question of
like you know, hey to make you
like you know, hey to make you
feel safe. Do you know of
feel safe. Do you know of
anyone? that’s at risk risk
anyone? that’s at risk risk
really kind of into you know
really kind of into you know
how would you feel if they got
how would you feel if they got
sick and then do you know
sick and then do you know
anyone who’s gotten sick? You
anyone who’s gotten sick? You
know anyone who has died? How
know anyone who has died? How
would you feel if you found out
would you feel if you found out
that you could have have been
that you could have have been
the cause of that person’s
the cause of that person’s
death and then basically
death and then basically
asking. Questions and then then
asking. Questions and then then
floating the to the person that
floating the to the person that
they’re to go have coffee with
they’re to go have coffee with
just to be like yo like I’m not
just to be like yo like I’m not
not gonna ask you what your
not gonna ask you what your
are, but I want you to
are, but I want you to
understand how important this
understand how important this
is to me and I wanna know know
is to me and I wanna know know
how important it you cuz that’s
how important it you cuz that’s
what we’re talking about. Yeah.
what we’re talking about. Yeah.
Yeah I have I have to say it’s
Yeah I have I have to say it’s
very sad for for me to hear
very sad for for me to hear
that you need such a so join
that you need such a so join
us. That’s a set that to be
us. That’s a set that to be
able to ask this question
able to ask this question
another thing. I’m not trying
another thing. I’m not trying
to be like no please look at
to be like no please look at
us. We’re we’re we’re we’re
us. We’re we’re we’re we’re
we’re so much but another thing
we’re so much but another thing
thing that we are taught and
thing that we are taught and
Portugal is citizen. What are
Portugal is citizen. What are
your duties and what are your
your duties and what are your
rights as a you freedom stops
rights as a you freedom stops
when infringing on on someone
when infringing on on someone
else’s freedom if you’re
else’s freedom if you’re
listening to music in your
listening to music in your
airports, totally fine if you
airports, totally fine if you
listen to it as long as you
listen to it as long as you
want, but you still have it in
want, but you still have it in
Speaker, you are other. listen
Speaker, you are other. listen
to your music and that’s it now
to your music and that’s it now
so so is so embedded in you you
so so is so embedded in you you
don’t think just about yourself
don’t think just about yourself
you need to think about the
you need to think about the
entire the entire situation and
entire the entire situation and
I think. I’m sure he has to do,
I think. I’m sure he has to do,
of course with the political
of course with the political
and with with everything being
and with with everything being
politicized, if based on facts
politicized, if based on facts
and got forbid people believe
and got forbid people believe
on that. So it’s just it’s just
on that. So it’s just it’s just
really sad for me a country US,
really sad for me a country US,
that’s that are proud of itself
that’s that are proud of itself
to be the best country in the
to be the best country in the
world and you know and. First
world and you know and. First
all of those things and they
all of those things and they
don’t know how to do that much
don’t know how to do that much
for someone else that can be be
for someone else that can be be
in danger. It’s so
in danger. It’s so
individualistic the eccentric
individualistic the eccentric
and maniac It’s real. It’s the
and maniac It’s real. It’s the
it’s the logical counter
it’s the logical counter
balance to colonialism you like
balance to colonialism you like
America was founded on freedom
America was founded on freedom
and individuality and so it’s
and individuality and so it’s
when you look back 300. And a
when you look back 300. And a
hard over correction in the
hard over correction in the
same way that when I got out of
same way that when I got out of
my in College hardt over
my in College hardt over
corrected and went to to the
corrected and went to to the
other side spectrum before that
other side spectrum before that
relationship and then two years
relationship and then two years
later, I was let me find the
later, I was let me find the
Middle. you know what we’re
Middle. you know what we’re
talking talking about time
talking talking about time
scale of years. I think it’s
scale of years. I think it’s
supposed to be in the fact
supposed to be in the fact
that. America amongst Americans
that. America amongst Americans
educational system in the
educational system in the
different States and within the
different States and within the
for so much like you have
for so much like you have
States that don’t teach
States that don’t teach
evolution. you know know like
evolution. you know know like
it’s it’s it’s so. I I feel
it’s it’s it’s so. I I feel
feel like judge a country by
feel like judge a country by
the the approach that they have
the the approach that they have
to to education and you you
to to education and you you
almost like a trend in
almost like a trend in
conservative countries. they
conservative countries. they
start to like your access to
start to like your access to
higher education, making it
higher education, making it
more expensive or making it
more expensive or making it
difficult to get because if you
difficult to get because if you
start to get higher education,
start to get higher education,
you’ll start to get Inch and
you’ll start to get Inch and
pragmatic thinking and critical
pragmatic thinking and critical
thinking and you’ll start to
thinking and you’ll start to
outside the box and you start
outside the box and you start
to see the big big picture you
to see the big big picture you
start to be more connected to
start to be more connected to
to to the outside world to in
to to the outside world to in
terms of literature terms of
terms of literature terms of
everything you just you just
everything you just you just
have wider a wider
have wider a wider
understanding and I feel like
understanding and I feel like
America has. such a bad
America has. such a bad
educational depending on on the
educational depending on on the
stage and so expensive. To
stage and so expensive. To
become a higher the educators
become a higher the educators
you’ll also have this almost.
you’ll also have this almost.
indoctrination of let’s not
indoctrination of let’s not
talk about what America has
talk about what America has
gone through historically,
gone through historically,
whether it be know how it
whether it be know how it
really developed the country to
really developed the country to
the impact and impact and the
the impact and impact and the
that he had in other countries
that he had in other countries
and and let’s just keep that
and and let’s just keep that
that sort of America is the
that sort of America is the
greatest. The best country in
greatest. The best country in
the world we have freedom
the world we have freedom
freedom of speech We have as if
freedom of speech We have as if
other countries didn’t have
other countries didn’t have
much, have of speech, we have
much, have of speech, we have
freedom to grow. We have free
freedom to grow. We have free
health health care. we have we
health health care. we have we
have free education we have
have free education we have
like so many countries more
like so many countries more
countries have it then don’t.
countries have it then don’t.
but we’re the ones who brag
but we’re the ones who brag
about it. So we’re the ones to
about it. So we’re the ones to
brag about having it But it’s
brag about having it But it’s
because it’s like well The. The
because it’s like well The. The
percentage of people in America
percentage of people in America
actually traveling go to to
actually traveling go to to
other is still not big enough
other is still not big enough
to 30 percent in the United
to 30 percent in the United
States have Yeah. that’s what’s
States have Yeah. that’s what’s
it’s it’s just it’s too small
it’s it’s just it’s too small
and then because you’re
and then because you’re
indoctrinated with everything
indoctrinated with everything
that you see like I feel like
that you see like I feel like
until America breaks that that
until America breaks that that
mental that we are the
mental that we are the
peacekeepers and. World in in
peacekeepers and. World in in
the War, It’s it didn’t say it
the War, It’s it didn’t say it
alone the Russians came came in
alone the Russians came came in
home. Remember that I was
home. Remember that I was
praying for the I understand
praying for the I understand
what what you’re saying Maha I
what what you’re saying Maha I
understand I I agree with you.
understand I I agree with you.
I have great USA friends I love
I have great USA friends I love
them but I don’t necessarily
them but I don’t necessarily
all the parts of the system.
I difference just in the
I difference just in the
airports going US airport is a
airports going US airport is a
nightmare. going to a European
nightmare. going to a European
airport. It’s securely save
airport. It’s securely save
that not such a a nightmare.
that not such a a nightmare.
probably, for I mean I I love
probably, for I mean I I love
my friends in individually, but
my friends in individually, but
the system is not that healthy
the system is not that healthy
and I think they they are being
and I think they they are being
the native I’ve totally legal
the native I’ve totally legal
it with because of the movies
it with because of the movies
and the. Rose and they the best
and the. Rose and they the best
and they they grow they grow up
and they they grow they grow up
with the false idea there are
with the false idea there are
no more no more that can work
no more no more that can work
together more countries that
together more countries that
can work together doing the
can work together doing the
same same things or population
same same things or population
I I read in about Liberty.
I I read in about Liberty.
Liberty I read this of North
Liberty I read this of North
Korean girl she escaped from
Korean girl she escaped from
the system, which is the most
the system, which is the most
oppressive system in the world.
oppressive system in the world.
North Korea He escaped name is
North Korea He escaped name is
Park. lives in Chicago. now
Park. lives in Chicago. now
she’s married married with the
she’s married married with the
citizen and her boggs shocking
citizen and her boggs shocking
I read a lot about North Korea
I read a lot about North Korea
and he say something that
and he say something that
shocked me and she said
shocked me and she said
Liberty. It’s something that
Liberty. It’s something that
need to practice every day. and
need to practice every day. and
and when we live in free or
and when we live in free or
morally free free countries of
morally free free countries of
we believe it’s a free we don’t
we believe it’s a free we don’t
realize what they have to to
realize what they have to to
practice freedom every day to
practice freedom every day to
really choose everything you do
really choose everything you do
every day. and sometimes we
every day. and sometimes we
have it and we did did it for
have it and we did did it for
it We. And if I want to listen
it We. And if I want to listen
to music public transportation
to music public transportation
on on streets, it doesn’t
on on streets, it doesn’t
matter it’s bothering the It’s
matter it’s bothering the It’s
next to me because I’m free.
next to me because I’m free.
and it’s not it’s taking your
and it’s not it’s taking your
own example of my of music and
own example of my of music and
it’s a free country. Of course,
it’s a free country. Of course,
it is, but you can listen to
it is, but you can listen to
music. With your headphones, if
music. With your headphones, if
you are bothering the person
you are bothering the person
sitting next to you and they
sitting next to you and they
are free, you do that in
are free, you do that in
Germany. And I think the common
Germany. And I think the common
thing they have is that they
thing they have is that they
suffer not having having and
suffer not having having and
now they have it and approached
now they have it and approached
it in a different way and. I
it in a different way and. I
don’t think I don’t think it’s
don’t think I don’t think it’s
parents say the word neither
parents say the word neither
Germany say the word nobody
Germany say the word nobody
save the the world and but we
save the the world and but we
free. I don’t know if I’m
free. I don’t know if I’m
making any sense I. I get what
making any sense I. I get what
I think that’s one. Growing up
I think that’s one. Growing up
here you understand that
here you understand that
history is written by the
history is written by the
winners because you have the
winners because you have the
same battles. taught in schools
same battles. taught in schools
completely different and you
completely different and you
have access because you like if
have access because you like if
I when I was a teenager I was
I when I was a teenager I was
going on a night out and I
going on a night out and I
didn’t like you know the or
didn’t like you know the or
whatever I would just get in my
whatever I would just get in my
car and drive in minutes and
car and drive in minutes and
pat’s It’s just it’s just it’s
pat’s It’s just it’s just it’s
what you do, but that’s. have
what you do, but that’s. have
access other people’s accounts
access other people’s accounts
of what they were taught in
of what they were taught in
history, and you realize that
history, and you realize that
history is written by the
history is written by the
winners and it’s manipulated by
winners and it’s manipulated by
winners to create a narrative
winners to create a narrative
and narratives that I we all in
and narratives that I we all in
have is that. there’s that
have is that. there’s that
White supremacy. Or the in in
White supremacy. Or the in in
terms of the Romans and you
terms of the Romans and you
know you have all of of these
know you have all of of these
that feed into the same into
that feed into the same into
the same narratives throughout
the same narratives throughout
throughout the world creates a
throughout the world creates a
virus and when you start
virus and when you start
studying it and when start
studying it and when start
really go deep into it, you
really go deep into it, you
realize no, no. it wasn’t a
realize no, no. it wasn’t a
real that invented all of
real that invented all of
things they stole from every
things they stole from every
single country and every single
single country and every single
culture and presented. And
culture and presented. And
representatives if they were
representatives if they were
the the the wise’s of people
the the the wise’s of people
that created all of these
that created all of these
things and therefore was
things and therefore was
superior and. And I feel like
superior and. And I feel like
somehow that is the same sort
somehow that is the same sort
of.
mindset that was. Has to to to
mindset that was. Has to to to
to merit is that the
to merit is that the
manipulation of world events of
manipulation of world events of
the of how you you tell the
the of how you you tell the
story to to the narratives that
story to to the narratives that
that you know like becomes it
that you know like becomes it
becomes an and it becomes so
becomes an and it becomes so
intertwine with who you think
intertwine with who you think
you you are internationalism
you you are internationalism
and all of that and at some
and all of that and at some
point I feel. I feel like
point I feel. I feel like
countries haven’t gone through
countries haven’t gone through
a dictatorship. don’t really
Understand what freedom freedom
Understand what freedom freedom
is is like we really didn’t how
is is like we really didn’t how
we were we were until we be
we were we were until we be
locked in House and and be
locked in House and and be
afraid to go outside realize I
afraid to go outside realize I
I have freedom to go in the the
I have freedom to go in the the
bus every and to be surrounded
bus every and to be surrounded
with people or go to to learn
with people or go to to learn
and all of of those it really.
and all of of those it really.
it really puts things into
it really puts things into
perspective and I think that
perspective and I think that
with with the America and
with with the America and
several countries. if you have
several countries. if you have
a notion of history, you can’t
a notion of history, you can’t
really move forward and it’s
really move forward and it’s
the same with Australia.
the same with Australia.
Australia is I think it was
Australia is I think it was
yesterday, the Prime Minister
yesterday, the Prime Minister
said that there was no slavery
said that there was no slavery
in this this it it was. yes
in this this it it was. yes
there there’s photographic
there there’s photographic
evidence that it was, but it’s
evidence that it was, but it’s
not taught in and it’s very
not taught in and it’s very
much a whitewash
Education and now there’s more
Education and now there’s more
resources online and like I see
resources online and like I see
the new generations being so to
the new generations being so to
do the work to learn more and
do the work to learn more and
not just be limited to
not just be limited to
environment and you you nature
environment and you you nature
and nurture of the growing up
and nurture of the growing up
they actually go the extra to
they actually go the extra to
become you know woke. And to
become you know woke. And to
understand that there are. that
understand that there are. that
are other countries and there
are other countries and there
are other traditions and there
are other traditions and there
is freedom in other countries
is freedom in other countries
and just because you you will
and just because you you will
listen to army doesn’t mean
listen to army doesn’t mean
that you’re doing good, You’re
that you’re doing good, You’re
doing the bidding of the rich
doing the bidding of the rich
people basically you’re not
people basically you’re not
protecting. It’s not because
protecting. It’s not because
because you’re registered in
because you’re registered in
the the army and go that you’re
the the army and go that you’re
defending freedom you want like
defending freedom you want like
country people are free.
country people are free.
Because of
It’s just it’s frustrating. I’m
It’s just it’s frustrating. I’m
sorry. I know I I I agree with
sorry. I know I I I agree with
you and and I just say I I
you and and I just say I I
don’t want hurt sensitivities
don’t want hurt sensitivities
you know my USA friends. guys
you know my USA friends. guys
like sometimes you know she’s
like sometimes you know she’s
been kind of down I love you
been kind of down I love you
guys. all heart. No. it’s so
guys. all heart. No. it’s so
important. It’s it’s
important. It’s it’s
interesting to hear this
interesting to hear this
perspective to hear you guys
perspective to hear you guys
say mean it’s stuff stuff that
say mean it’s stuff stuff that
like even internally we’re
like even internally we’re
having a process right now and
having a process right now and
and to hear it from from an
and to hear it from from an
perspective but It’s so true
perspective but It’s so true
and I’ve started doing work and
and I’ve started doing work and
actually Sam, you you said.
actually Sam, you you said.
Maybe we could. we can maybe
Maybe we could. we can maybe
make that deal with a
make that deal with a
conversation here on Wednesdays
conversation here on Wednesdays
during my live stream, I do
during my live stream, I do
Constitution Study Group. I
Constitution Study Group. I
Group. I don’t know if you seen
Group. I don’t know if you seen
it yet it can be thoroughly
it yet it can be thoroughly
boring at point cuz cuz I’m
boring at point cuz cuz I’m
literally just reading this old
literally just reading this old
but this was an idea I had for
but this was an idea I had for
a long time ago that I wanted I
a long time ago that I wanted I
wanted to actually make it
wanted to actually make it
available to active duty
available to active duty
military members. exclusively
military members. exclusively
in my tea room like could have
in my tea room like could have
in-person events I wanted to.
in-person events I wanted to.
Have free Constitution Study
Have free Constitution Study
Groups because for the military
Groups because for the military
in particular military
in particular military
politicians, you those are the
politicians, you those are the
the folks that oath when they
the folks that oath when they
when they get into their jobs.
when they get into their jobs.
that they’re only job is to
that they’re only job is to
protect the Constitution yet
protect the Constitution yet
you know like when when
you know like when when
somebody enlisted military.
somebody enlisted military.
That’s that’s the only oath
That’s that’s the only oath
that that they make yet their
that that they make yet their
entire career in the military,
entire career in the military,
Not once do receive a pocket
Not once do receive a pocket
constitution not once do they
constitution not once do they
sit down and read the
sit down and read the
Constitution or even
Constitution or even
understand. Protecting and then
understand. Protecting and then
know pandemic happens, so I
know pandemic happens, so I
kind of back burner that idea
kind of back burner that idea
and then all of a sudden all of
and then all of a sudden all of
my friends on Facebook started
my friends on Facebook started
to become like Constitution
to become like Constitution
Warriors like I I don’t have
Warriors like I I don’t have
wear a mask. I have a
wear a mask. I have a
constitutional right to do what
constitutional right to do what
I want want and so decided I’ve
I want want and so decided I’ve
got to get this going cuz the
got to get this going cuz the
people all of a sudden like
people all of a sudden like
everybody’s becoming
everybody’s becoming
Constitutional warrior and I’m
Constitutional warrior and I’m
like okay, well, let’s start
like okay, well, let’s start
doing it and in the process of
doing it and in the process of
of of doing this study, you
of of doing this study, you
know it’s it’s written. Like as
know it’s it’s written. Like as
Citizenss, Yes, we have rights,
Citizenss, Yes, we have rights,
we have certain rights actually
we have certain rights actually
the only two rights that we
the only two rights that we
really have is like our our
really have is like our our
right to to vote then our right
right to to vote then our right
to you you know you know our of
to you you know you know our of
speech to communicate to our
speech to communicate to our
representatives to to to make
representatives to to to make
the decisions for us that we
the decisions for us that we
made it’s actually you know
made it’s actually you know
like the executive and and and
like the executive and and and
and and the politicians that
and and the politicians that
have a a lot more power state.
have a a lot more power state.
actually the States. you know
actually the States. you know
that we live in. A lot of so if
that we live in. A lot of so if
they make an order that’s in
they make an order that’s in
relation to public safety, just
relation to public safety, just
like you’re saying your music
like you’re saying your music
if music is annoying, someone
if music is annoying, someone
else you then then your rights
else you then then your rights
kind conditional at that point
kind conditional at that point
and to say that like we’re
and to say that like we’re
gonna be in this tyrant state
gonna be in this tyrant state
where your rights are thrown
where your rights are thrown
out the window window and ???
out the window window and ???
it all it just means in this
it all it just means in this
particular case when it
particular case when it
involves someone else’s public
involves someone else’s public
health or someone else’s well
health or someone else’s well
being being the the the state
being being the the the state
can step in or the the the
can step in or the the the
executive. You know our fine
executive. You know our fine
can step in and make you know
can step in and make you know
make an executive decision
make an executive decision
executive order of order of how
executive order of order of how
we behave to be respectful to
we behave to be respectful to
each other’s public safety, but
each other’s public safety, but
it just like. persists to be
it just like. persists to be
major issue of my conversations
major issue of my conversations
Yesterday, I had like a very
Yesterday, I had like a very
heated conversation with with a
heated conversation with with a
friend you a yoga instructor
friend you a yoga instructor
and his yoga practice and not
and his yoga practice and not
even just his own practice, but
even just his own practice, but
like his yoga. Practice is
like his yoga. Practice is
really valuable to him and he
really valuable to him and he
he believes deep in heart and
he believes deep in heart and
there’s no breaking he believes
there’s no breaking he believes
that his. method of healing his
that his. method of healing his
yoga practice and teaching
yoga practice and teaching
practice, so he’s actually been
practice, so he’s actually been
hosting. you know pretty
hosting. you know pretty
significant groups people in
significant groups people in
his home for the yoga classes
his home for the yoga classes
throughout the entire and and I
throughout the entire and and I
came to find that some close
came to find that some close
friends of mine, We were
friends of mine, We were
attending those classes and so
attending those classes and so
as a. You know like I made
as a. You know like I made
decision it would be
decision it would be
responsible for me not to
responsible for me not to
interact with with those
interact with with those
friends of all the actors you
friends of all the actors you
know like I’m trying to be
know like I’m trying to be
mindful of public health. you
mindful of public health. you
know, I’m not saying I’m scared
know, I’m not saying I’m scared
of but like that’s just the
of but like that’s just the
thing that I can do to you know
thing that I can do to you know
play my part. and so told him
play my part. and so told him
about that and I wasn’t you
about that and I wasn’t you
know trying to you know, guilt
know trying to you know, guilt
trip him that he shouldn’t do
trip him that he shouldn’t do
it cuz he he does have the
it cuz he he does have the
right but in this particular
right but in this particular
case, I think it’s really
case, I think it’s really
important. You know we’d be
important. You know we’d be
mindful of how you know our
mindful of how you know our
decisions and on our our rights
decisions and on our our rights
and our affect others. So I
and our affect others. So I
mean, I guess the time to go
mean, I guess the time to go
Yeah. I mean the other the
Yeah. I mean the other the
other thing about add to that
other thing about add to that
not entirely conscious on our
not entirely conscious on our
part, my fiance and I’ve been
part, my fiance and I’ve been
overly diligent I don’t think
overly diligent I don’t think
either of us aside from grocery
either of us aside from grocery
store and Oops, there’s another
store and Oops, there’s another
person in a have been within
person in a have been within
six feet of anyone in. 93 days
six feet of anyone in. 93 days
and and so you great cuz we
and and so you great cuz we
feel great, not spreading Kobi
feel great, not spreading Kobi
to to someone who not have the
to to someone who not have the
immune system to handle it, but
immune system to handle it, but
the other thing that we realize
the other thing that we realize
is that. We’re the only people
is that. We’re the only people
who can show up for those who
who can show up for those who
immuno on Saturday we’re going
immuno on Saturday we’re going
to provide technical support
to provide technical support
and. spiritual support for our
and. spiritual support for our
83 year friend. friend who is
83 year friend. friend who is
we’ve talked to him? We talked
we’ve talked to him? We talked
to her often through and she’s.
to her often through and she’s.
clearly needing some human
clearly needing some human
interaction and we we have
interaction and we we have
another friend who’s also amun
another friend who’s also amun
compromised and in a very
compromised and in a very
similar energetic state. So by
similar energetic state. So by
being extra diligent, you know
being extra diligent, you know
we can make space people
we can make space people
without risking their lives and
without risking their lives and
yeah I. The modalities of
yeah I. The modalities of
communication over the last
communication over the last
decade or coming to ahead the
decade or coming to ahead the
the self-centeredness that
the self-centeredness that
these platforms have created
these platforms have created
over a process of 10 years of
over a process of 10 years of
it was that someone said that
it was that someone said that
the problem with human centered
the problem with human centered
development is that humans of
development is that humans of
the flaw yeah yeah. So now
the flaw yeah yeah. So now
we’re here. We We know and we
we’re here. We We know and we
can build something else.
My understanding of is.
you freedom is conditional. and
you freedom is conditional. and
it’s to the the to the higher
it’s to the the to the higher
being of the whole population
being of the whole population
because you don’t on the you
because you don’t on the you
live in a society. It’s the
live in a society. It’s the
same principle as vaccines It’s
same principle as vaccines It’s
just. Even even if there is a
Side shades to to percentage of
Side shades to to percentage of
the population. the majority.
the population. the majority.
is the point that that hurt is
is the point that that hurt is
the and if I if if I had that
the and if I if if I had that
you you develop artist. artist,
you you develop artist. artist,
Of course, like to find the
Of course, like to find the
cause for it and help in any
cause for it and help in any
any way that but I would I I
any way that but I would I I
it’s it’s. It’s worth taking
it’s it’s. It’s worth taking
for the. well being of the
for the. well being of the
community and I think that’s in
community and I think that’s in
the case of alisa’s fring. We
the case of alisa’s fring. We
have a in for all that I I find
have a in for all that I I find
to ring really true and hell is
to ring really true and hell is
full of people with good
full of people with good
intentions.
and although I believe the
and although I believe the
effect, it’s something that has
effect, it’s something that has
been proven your brain and heal
been proven your brain and heal
lots.
conditions and situations and
conditions and situations and
that might be good for your
that might be good for your
mental well-being during those
mental well-being during those
yoga classes which in reality.
yoga classes which in reality.
you can be doing a lot more
you can be doing a lot more
than good and I think it’s very
than good and I think it’s very
self self indulgence to because
self self indulgence to because
you’re feeling better yourself
you’re feeling better yourself
and your surrounded with people
and your surrounded with people
that think the same way that
that think the same way that
somehow you’re not adding to
somehow you’re not adding to
problem. I should should I
problem. I should should I
should also include that the
should also include that the
the yoga classes, which I got
the yoga classes, which I got
invited to one on a public, you
invited to one on a public, you
know Facebook invite is a hug
know Facebook invite is a hug
healing. so it’s like a hug
healing. so it’s like a hug
yoga class, not just not just
yoga class, not just not just
yoga. I feel like like that’s
yoga. I feel like like that’s
that’s almost troll like like
that’s almost troll like like
they do they provide healing
they do they provide healing
prior to come come in. Yeah a
prior to come come in. Yeah a
big thing they they do and it’s
big thing they they do and it’s
it’s great. You know I’ve gone
it’s great. You know I’ve gone
to gone to some of their
to gone to some of their
classes and I’m fan of hugs
classes and I’m fan of hugs
too, and I’m missing them as
too, and I’m missing them as
right now, but like it’s one of
right now, but like it’s one of
those things. Like you know
those things. Like you know
know like I’m trying to find
know like I’m trying to find
and healing and other like
and healing and other like
this, you know this is kind of
this, you know this is kind of
like my little virtual hug from
like my little virtual hug from
you guys. but yeah, so they
you guys. but yeah, so they
they used to like hang out in
they used to like hang out in
front of the Bellagio fountains
front of the Bellagio fountains
and just like strangers our
and just like strangers our
powerful you know like I can
powerful you know like I can
imagine them trying to do it
imagine them trying to do it
now cuz Vegas is is open and
now cuz Vegas is is open and
people walking around. I can
people walking around. I can
just imagine them and. you know
just imagine them and. you know
like I like my my bio. I like
like I like my my bio. I like
that how how you have brand
that how how you have brand
that I could say I’ve been
that I could say I’ve been
thinking about like my inner
thinking about like my inner
circle as I’ve been calling it,
circle as I’ve been calling it,
but I guess my bio. You gotta
but I guess my bio. You gotta
watch you gotta watch the
watch you gotta watch the
video. video. It’s okay. I’ll
video. video. It’s okay. I’ll
stick your head for a week. You
stick your head for a week. You
know about a month ago, I
know about a month ago, I
started to put my my my bio
started to put my my my bio
together and it was like you
together and it was like you
know three very very important
know three very very important
friends I said. Three was good,
friends I said. Three was good,
You know and then my my two
You know and then my my two
parents top of that. so it’s
parents top of that. so it’s
like five people in circles and
like five people in circles and
I was myself to hug them and to
I was myself to hug them and to
enjoy those experiences cuz
enjoy those experiences cuz
it’s still keeping the number
it’s still keeping the number
of down but then to find out
of down but then to find out
that like they’ve been going to
that like they’ve been going to
these classes and hugging is
these classes and hugging is
like highly encouraged
like highly encouraged
encouraged and there’s you know
encouraged and there’s you know
at least a dozen. Each one of
at least a dozen. Each one of
these events, like, Oh yeah, I
these events, like, Oh yeah, I
know we have a similar instance
know we have a similar instance
where the that we really wanted
where the that we really wanted
to like be buddies with or by
to like be buddies with or by
buddies with another couple and
buddies with another couple and
and another person and one
and another person and one
other person who I guess hang
other person who I guess hang
out and he was like he
out and he was like he
mentioned in the several hours
mentioned in the several hours
that they they were in the same
that they they were in the same
space together. all kind of a
space together. all kind of a
very good friends and I was
very good friends and I was
like I went on a date. Haircut
like I went on a date. Haircut
like when I’m I’m in the store
like when I’m I’m in the store
yada yada like all of those
yada yada like all of those
things kind of slipped out in
things kind of slipped out in
and I was like. love you
and I was like. love you
everybody else love that person
everybody else love that person
too. until they and and then we
too. until they and and then we
basically started crafting by
basically started crafting by
but it’s like how can we in non
but it’s like how can we in non
direct way to way to be like?
direct way to way to be like?
Hey man like that’s not okay
Hey man like that’s not okay
with us and without calling
with us and without calling
around and and saying like
around and and saying like
that’s not you know do that.
that’s not you know do that.
That’s usually people don’t
That’s usually people don’t
listen to it and the way that.
listen to it and the way that.
Kind of got to is this notion
Kind of got to is this notion
of the trolley problem asking
of the trolley problem asking
questions about your heart and
questions about your heart and
if you know, how would you feel
if you know, how would you feel
if someone you died? How would
if someone you died? How would
you feel if you found out that
you feel if you found out that
you could have been you could
you could have been you could
have been the person that that
have been the person that that
prompted it and based on how
prompted it and based on how
they answer that question, it’s
they answer that question, it’s
very and how much they are
very and how much they are
willing to go through
willing to go through
discomfort protect that they
discomfort protect that they
may never be able to understand
may never be able to understand
that that they’re you. I think
that that they’re you. I think
that now more than ever is.
that now more than ever is.
Important to have this
Important to have this
conversations. it’s not just
conversations. it’s not just
about health. It’s not just
about health. It’s not just
about race relationships. it’s
about race relationships. it’s
it’s a little bit about
it’s a little bit about
everything really. really.
everything really. really.
yeah. I think collective. I
yeah. I think collective. I
think it’s important to I think
think it’s important to I think
it’s important to
try try to the or I don’t know
try try to the or I don’t know
how to put it clear because I’m
how to put it clear because I’m
a lanny. Kenyan ta kwan so I
a lanny. Kenyan ta kwan so I
can be really harsh with with
can be really harsh with with
the exact exact word, but the
the exact exact word, but the
meaning of freedom or the the
meaning of freedom or the the
meaning of Liberty. It’s
meaning of Liberty. It’s
different for everybody and I
different for everybody and I
think we need to work on
think we need to work on
because this it happened in my
because this it happened in my
in my this there was this
in my this there was this
competition he was in the unit
competition he was in the unit
in a. And he decided to run out
in a. And he decided to run out
the hospital because the only
the hospital because the only
thing you got is doing was
thing you got is doing was
putting in oxygen on him and
putting in oxygen on him and
feed feed him and this is
feed feed him and this is
something he he can do at He
something he he can do at He
didn’t even understand what was
didn’t even understand what was
on him his cave The Kobi so, of
on him his cave The Kobi so, of
course he he was free because
course he he was free because
he has freedom. of living
he has freedom. of living
living hospital and spread.
I it will be healthier and we
I it will be healthier and we
think that Liberty goes with
think that Liberty goes with
with with well being of people
with with well being of people
around us. it hurt people
around us. it hurt people
around us. It’s liberty
around us. It’s liberty
probably is a view. and it’s a
probably is a view. and it’s a
concept of freedom and
concept of freedom and
collective right personal
collective right personal
freedom you I believe. In in a
freedom you I believe. In in a
democracy, you should free to
democracy, you should free to
pursue happiness. you should be
pursue happiness. you should be
free to pursue education you
free to pursue education you
should be free to to help
Mental and physical resources
Mental and physical resources
to keep your health I I I
to keep your health I I I
believe that in a in a free
believe that in a in a free
you’re also entitled to the
you’re also entitled to the
sides when want to die and how
sides when want to die and how
you want die, especially if you
you want die, especially if you
if you suffer from terminal
if you suffer from terminal
disease, I think that that
disease, I think that that
that’s part of freedom that you
that’s part of freedom that you
have as a human being, but but
have as a human being, but but
then you get the freedoms and
then you get the freedoms and
if you’re freedom. Is
if you’re freedom. Is
encouraging you to and putting
encouraging you to and putting
someone in that freedom is.
someone in that freedom is.
selfish and it’s self-indulgent
selfish and it’s self-indulgent
and it’’s assuming that your
and it’’s assuming that your
freedom of living is higher in
freedom of living is higher in
more worthy than other people’s
more worthy than other people’s
freedom to stay stay healthy be
freedom to stay stay healthy be
in an environment. that’s
in an environment. that’s
that’s is good for for everyone
that’s is good for for everyone
and you see people that have
and you see people that have
autoimmune diseases or the the
autoimmune diseases or the the
autoimmune system and it’s been
autoimmune system and it’s been
compromised. When like cancer
compromised. When like cancer
or whatever and they are not in
or whatever and they are not in
control because. you you think
control because. you you think
that you have the freedom to do
that you have the freedom to do
whatever whatever you want and
whatever whatever you want and
I it’s it’s like the
I it’s it’s like the
individualistic mindset. has is
individualistic mindset. has is
It’s really and it’s not in in
It’s really and it’s not in in
America some I was really. with
America some I was really. with
what happened in in Sweden
what happened in in Sweden
because is so often and as an
because is so often and as an
example. population and the
example. population and the
that always listen to the
that always listen to the
experts and you you have that
experts and you you have that
educational system and being a
educational system and being a
socialist country like it’s
socialist country like it’s
just it’s just so forward
just it’s just so forward
thinking and so many things
thinking and so many things
things and then he to cover it
things and then he to cover it
and they were like let’s not
and they were like let’s not
listen to the experts because
listen to the experts because
this is disease that affects
this is disease that affects
the of all the people and the
the of all the people and the
young people don’t want to give
young people don’t want to give
up their freedoms. They still
up their freedoms. They still
want to go to restaurants and
want to go to restaurants and
clubs and all of that and you
clubs and all of that and you
see the percuss now. And it’s
see the percuss now. And it’s
it’s it’s yeah. it’s it’s when
it’s it’s yeah. it’s it’s when
your personal freedom is more
your personal freedom is more
important than you as a
important than you as a
collective and you’re so
collective and you’re so
individualistic that you’re
individualistic that you’re
you’re not even considering the
you’re not even considering the
repercussions that might have
repercussions that might have
to your friends to the or to
to your friends to the or to
your own family. It’s
your own family. It’s
especially with something
especially with something
that’s like it can be a where
that’s like it can be a where
you don’t even know that you
you don’t even know that you
have it you might be the reason
have it you might be the reason
someone who isn’t bad or a
someone who isn’t bad or a
grandfather or or or it’s just
grandfather or or or it’s just
it’s so unreason. To me, that’s
it’s so unreason. To me, that’s
people can’t see past that
people can’t see past that
wants. it’s yeah, it’s it’s
wants. it’s yeah, it’s it’s
something that’s very serious.
something that’s very serious.
You know it feels like it’s
You know it feels like it’s
very much a disconnection from
very much a disconnection from
the belief of what the self
the belief of what the self
self you you. I mean you figure
self you you. I mean you figure
10 years of looking at this
10 years of looking at this
thing like you start to I mean,
thing like you start to I mean,
see reality and and you know.
see reality and and you know.
More than just people, it’s
More than just people, it’s
more just It’s just
more just It’s just
communities. It’s the world and
communities. It’s the world and
the self at large. I mean like
the self at large. I mean like
challenging to you know
challenging to you know
environmental reform has just
environmental reform has just
because someone has a interest
because someone has a interest
and and it’s not the true self
and and it’s not the true self
being real self in any sense
being real self in any sense
sense of measurement but an
sense of measurement but an
encapsulated itself which not
encapsulated itself which not
wearing my skinny caps can go
wearing my skinny caps can go
through but yeah, and I think
through but yeah, and I think
that that’s that’s what. See I
that that’s that’s what. See I
guess that’s the the light that
guess that’s the the light that
I choose to see is that because
I choose to see is that because
of Kobi this we we have very
of Kobi this we we have very
abrupt mirror being held in
abrupt mirror being held in
front of us that this type of
front of us that this type of
change and reform reflection
change and reform reflection
and shadow work, and however
and shadow work, and however
you choose to see it would not
you choose to see it would not
have happened without this
have happened without this
catalyst pandemic and you know
catalyst pandemic and you know
because of the catalyst of
because of the catalyst of
pandemic came back back into
pandemic came back back into
a-frame of conversation and a
a-frame of conversation and a
potent And never-never, and I
potent And never-never, and I
was just looking. Of A hundred
was just looking. Of A hundred
different statements that
different statements that
brands about black lives matter
brands about black lives matter
and not all of them are very
and not all of them are very
meaningful. a lot of them with
meaningful. a lot of them with
it a sense of presence rather
it a sense of presence rather
than a sense of correcting and
than a sense of correcting and
then that Native Americans are
then that Native Americans are
piping up being like so you
piping up being like so you
before slavery, there’s this
before slavery, there’s this
other thing of of like
other thing of of like
appropriation lands. So can can
appropriation lands. So can can
we talk about too? and it’s
we talk about too? and it’s
just like it’s the shadow work
just like it’s the shadow work
of. She is in many ways so so
of. She is in many ways so so
without that wouldn’t have now
without that wouldn’t have now
it’s it’s just catalyst Co dot
it’s it’s just catalyst Co dot
com that one is not as cool.
com that one is not as cool.
here I just wanted to to say
here I just wanted to to say
relation to brands the brands
relation to brands the brands
that have jumped on the hashtag
that have jumped on the hashtag
hashtag Yorkshire Tea and PG
hashtag Yorkshire Tea and PG
have both jumped on it on
have both jumped on it on
Twitter in a very big way.
Twitter in a very big way.
we’re actually.
I’m glad you hasn’t jumped the
I’m glad you hasn’t jumped the
Black Lives matter you know I
Black Lives matter you know I
support them so basically it
support them so basically it
was like a very racist
was like a very racist
statement and then Yorkshire
statement and then Yorkshire
tweeted back and said, Do not
tweeted back and said, Do not
buy our tea again. We haven’t
buy our tea again. We haven’t
said anything because we are
said anything because we are
educating ourselves and trying
educating ourselves and trying
to come up with with our
to come up with with our
response to this hashtag Black
response to this hashtag Black
lives matter and it’s okay,
lives matter and it’s okay,
you’re educating yourself. Are
you’re educating yourself. Are
you educating with the black
you educating with the black
lives and your supply cuz you
lives and your supply cuz you
know like this. Conversation
know like this. Conversation
extends far beyond just
extends far beyond just
America. I mean we’re such a a
America. I mean we’re such a a
globalized society now like
globalized society now like
this something yeah. It’s just
this something yeah. It’s just
it’s so like inauthentic and
it’s so like inauthentic and
just really. good anyway.
You see the the the you know
You see the the the you know
the climate where so many
the climate where so many
brands instead of changing
brands instead of changing
practices, they just did a
practices, they just did a
Green wash that that that
Green wash that that that
brands and put some Green
brands and put some Green
colors in their logo and and
colors in their logo and and
and even even I mean eggs what
and even even I mean eggs what
the hell for the fresh farm or
the hell for the fresh farm or
a farm fresh. come on. It’s
a farm fresh. come on. It’s
just. it. It’s it’s it’s a way
just. it. It’s it’s it’s a way
to manipulate the understanding
to manipulate the understanding
and to do do the least amount
and to do do the least amount
the least least amount of of
the least least amount of of
work to to fit the movements
work to to fit the movements
that that is trending and that
that that is trending and that
is kind. I I I appreciate now
is kind. I I I appreciate now
more more than more than ever.
more more than more than ever.
this whole situation that has.
this whole situation that has.
spread throughout the world and
spread throughout the world and
has started a conversations and
has started a conversations and
has started you know really
has started you know really
uncomfortable in in everyone’s
uncomfortable in in everyone’s
houses and and everyone’s
houses and and everyone’s
relationships and and
relationships and and
friendships people I’ve finally
friendships people I’ve finally
and I think good to go. I
and I think good to go. I
really do think that if White
really do think that if White
want at home, they would not.
want at home, they would not.
The because this is not new
The because this is not new
people are just like Oh we’re
people are just like Oh we’re
being bombarded with it. This
being bombarded with it. This
is what is happening and now
is what is happening and now
see it differently because if
see it differently because if
they had to go to work. most of
they had to go to work. most of
them would continue to use the
them would continue to use the
excuse of it’s not about me.
excuse of it’s not about me.
It’s not it’s not not racist so
It’s not it’s not not racist so
I’m not problem. I don’t see
I’m not problem. I don’t see
color. It’s just it’s just so
color. It’s just it’s just so
so.
It’s it’s it’s a felt like it’s
It’s it’s it’s a felt like it’s
the brush to brush that I still
the brush to brush that I still
I feel like it’s it’s the word
I feel like it’s it’s the word
privilege as well, You know
privilege as well, You know
people think that being racist
people think that being racist
is a choice based on hate when
is a choice based on hate when
it’s it’s a system is is
it’s it’s a system is is
something that you are or into.
something that you are or into.
it’s it’s an educational
it’s it’s an educational
system. It’s in everything that
system. It’s in everything that
you see or this this idea.
you see or this this idea.
that’s that’s.
Imagine if you’re watching in
Imagine if you’re watching in
if you are employing someone
if you are employing someone
says you have White privilege
says you have White privilege
immediately, their like you
immediately, their like you
don’t know what I’ve been
don’t know what I’ve been
through in life. you don’t like
through in life. you don’t like
I I never had because I was
I I never had because I was
four. I didn’t have education.
four. I didn’t have education.
I didn’t have that and then you
I didn’t have that and then you
have to stop and be like. yeah,
have to stop and be like. yeah,
which when you’re stuck at the
which when you’re stuck at the
you don’t automatically. feel
you don’t automatically. feel
threatened for your life.
threatened for your life.
Trying to explain real
Trying to explain real
privilege. to to to has men and
privilege. to to to has men and
women have such a different in
women have such a different in
life, Black and White has such
life, Black and White has such
a different in life this almost
a different in life this almost
a blockage that people build
a blockage that people build
like kinda know what’s
like kinda know what’s
happening on the the other
happening on the the other
side, but it hasn’t happened to
side, but it hasn’t happened to
them. it’s it’s not valid or
them. it’s it’s not valid or
you’re over exaggerating or you
you’re over exaggerating or you
know you’re just hormonal. You
know you’re just hormonal. You
everything is about race,
everything is about race,
whatever excuse that them and
whatever excuse that them and
the That’s that’s you know it’s
the That’s that’s you know it’s
been confirmed throughout
been confirmed throughout
throughout lives. It’s just
throughout lives. It’s just
it’s just becomes almost like a
it’s just becomes almost like a
personal So I’m glad that at
personal So I’m glad that at
least now people are doing the
least now people are doing the
and they’re they’re realizing
and they’re they’re realizing
there are things that are even
there are things that are even
though they haven’t experienced
though they haven’t experienced
for themselves. They can still.
for themselves. They can still.
be part of and cautiously of
be part of and cautiously of
the system that is you know
the system that is you know
harming someone So I’m I’m glad
harming someone So I’m I’m glad
that this is finally happening
that this is finally happening
not just in America, but it’s
not just in America, but it’s
happening in Australia. it’s
happening in Australia. it’s
happening in Europe, You know
happening in Europe, You know
people are are really back at
people are are really back at
history and understanding how
history and understanding how
was created by women for whom
was created by women for whom
and realizing that this is a
and realizing that this is a
problem around the world. Not
problem around the world. Not
an American problem, It’s in
an American problem, It’s in
Australian problem. It’s it’s
Australian problem. It’s it’s
something something as a
something something as a
collective. it has been created
collective. it has been created
It has perpetuated although a
It has perpetuated although a
lot better than than it in our
lot better than than it in our
in the sixties. it’s still it’s
in the sixties. it’s still it’s
still not good enough.
I’d like to invite Jeremy into
I’d like to invite Jeremy into
into conversation and I think
into conversation and I think
there’s a few times that you’ve
there’s a few times that you’ve
tried to speak up and just kind
tried to speak up and just kind
of got past the pass through.
of got past the pass through.
Yeah. I appreciate I appreciate
Yeah. I appreciate I appreciate
your patience but I wanted to.
Because I think sometimes. was’
Because I think sometimes. was’
not understood, I’m not
not understood, I’m not
americans’ how large country is
americans’ how large country is
how diverse the country and how
how diverse the country and how
powerful each individual state
powerful each individual state
and everybody sort of has like
and everybody sort of has like
a different. I guess everyone
a different. I guess everyone
has a a different objective and
has a a different objective and
one ’ll argument is in. it’s
one ’ll argument is in. it’s
like when you’re talking about
like when you’re talking about
It’s all about the of what want
It’s all about the of what want
the student to become. and the
the student to become. and the
problem in Indiana is that
problem in Indiana is that
still educating farmers. that
still educating farmers. that
was the entire educational
was the entire educational
system was based around. You’re
system was based around. You’re
gonna go work on the farm so
gonna go work on the farm so
it’s very easy, very
it’s very easy, very
generalized and it hasn’t
generalized and it hasn’t
adapted scents but like when I
adapted scents but like when I
went to school in California,
went to school in California,
the immediate assumption was
the immediate assumption was
everybody that enters high
everybody that enters high
school is going to College. so
school is going to College. so
the entire. System was built
the entire. System was built
around. We’re going to get you
around. We’re going to get you
into the College. so it’s
into the College. so it’s
interesting so you have and it
interesting so you have and it
is you’re a product of the
is you’re a product of the
educational system and you came
educational system and you came
out of some States or you’re
out of some States or you’re
trying to farmer. You have a
trying to farmer. You have a
very limited point of view and
very limited point of view and
then another state is to really
then another state is to really
prioritize higher education as
prioritize higher education as
a whole different experience. I
a whole different experience. I
mean it’s just it’s so diverse
mean it’s just it’s so diverse
and the stakes are so.
and the stakes are so.
powerful. and and even when you
powerful. and and even when you
to like County by County, it’s
to like County by County, it’s
it’s like it’s really hard to
it’s like it’s really hard to
have a good conversation with
have a good conversation with
people from Vigo County.
people from Vigo County.
because. You all be horrified
because. You all be horrified
about what people are doing
about what people are doing
doing here, walking around most
doing here, walking around most
of them without and it was
of them without and it was
actually worse before the
actually worse before the
governor put before the
governor put before the
governor. it’s like, for
governor. it’s like, for
example, one of the largest
example, one of the largest
stores of Vigo Menards. It’s
stores of Vigo Menards. It’s
massive massive hardware so all
massive massive hardware so all
the way up until the governor
the way up until the governor
relaxed restrictions There was
relaxed restrictions There was
absolutely no limit No mask.
requirement and then just
requirement and then just
ironically out of nowhere, you
ironically out of nowhere, you
can’t can’t enter the without a
can’t can’t enter the without a
mask and there’s a capacity
mask and there’s a capacity
limit. but there’s only been
limit. but there’s only been
eight deaths in this County. I
eight deaths in this County. I
think only about 200 positive
think only about 200 positive
there’s six percent
tests so when people walk
tests so when people walk
around here they don’t They
around here they don’t They
care less before been spreading
care less before been spreading
in this County like like how do
in this County like like how do
you have conversation with you
you have conversation with you
know with us? Where other
know with us? Where other
people said, said, Oh, it’s
people said, said, Oh, it’s
like crazy where I am. it’s
like crazy where I am. it’s
just just we’re all looking at
just just we’re all looking at
the world from this perspective
the world from this perspective
like we’re just gonna do
like we’re just gonna do
whatever we want and it hasn’t
whatever we want and it hasn’t
spread so. we that’s not our
spread so. we that’s not our
behavior, but the problem is
behavior, but the problem is
you take that behavior to other
you take that behavior to other
cities. Yeah. So like when you
cities. Yeah. So like when you
go to the also amplify that
go to the also amplify that
message over social media
message over social media
without without the of this is
without without the of this is
a small town where everybody
a small town where everybody
lives fairly isolated. Yeah,
lives fairly isolated. Yeah,
we’re we’re a drive. Town You
we’re we’re a drive. Town You
it’s like you know, you know
it’s like you know, you know
you only drive through going
you only drive through going
from Indianapolis to Saint
from Indianapolis to Saint
Louis otherwise. you really
Louis otherwise. you really
really wouldn’t stop so it’s a
really wouldn’t stop so it’s a
large enough city. It’s like
large enough city. It’s like
50000 We have no we have no
50000 We have no we have no
public public transport. I
public public transport. I
think that’s that was a big
think that’s that was a big
deal. I didn’t spread quickly
deal. I didn’t spread quickly
here but the problem is when
here but the problem is when
you go to Indianapolis or
you go to Indianapolis or
Chicago or Saint Louis or
Chicago or Saint Louis or
wherever else you’re taking
wherever else you’re taking
that entire mentality like
that entire mentality like
you’re. No mask brushing up
you’re. No mask brushing up
against everybody. I think are
against everybody. I think are
a few of us of the problem is
a few of us of the problem is
if you’re the example for other
if you’re the example for other
people to see that’s the big
people to see that’s the big
problem.
Nobody likes to but that’s a it
Nobody likes to but that’s a it
it takes a lot to be. That
it takes a lot to be. That
example, sometimes yeah.
Events. it’’s I can compare.
Events. it’’s I can compare.
cuz I’m away from my family
cuz I’m away from my family
living in Australia and the the
living in Australia and the the
whole and the way that the
whole and the way that the
country was affected and
country was affected and
Portugal they they are like.
Portugal they they are like.
black and White, you know and
black and White, you know and
it’s so opposite. in the
it’s so opposite. in the
strength that they I’m really
strength that they I’m really
have measures put in and light,
have measures put in and light,
but because. It only has
but because. It only has
25 million people, which is the
25 million people, which is the
same populations Spain, but
same populations Spain, but
it’s as big as a.m. It’s
it’s as big as a.m. It’s
freaking continent people are
freaking continent people are
spread out and there’s lots of
spread out and there’s lots of
places in Australia that not
places in Australia that not
livable in the the desert or
livable in the the desert or
and so those. have measures
and so those. have measures
actually worked and you know
actually worked and you know
we’re we’re moving to a path
we’re we’re moving to a path
where everything is opening now
where everything is opening now
into the. That affected, I
into the. That affected, I
think was zero point 25 percent
think was zero point 25 percent
and you can you can trace it
and you can you can trace it
back most of of the cases that
back most of of the cases that
had to an incidents that occur
had to an incidents that occur
with one of the cruise ships
with one of the cruise ships
that arrived at the port and
that arrived at the port and
they were allowed to come out.
they were allowed to come out.
and. leave and socialize and go
and. leave and socialize and go
to other States
so the mentality here. it’s
so the mentality here. it’s
very much. It’s something it’s
very much. It’s something it’s
something that is dangerous.
something that is dangerous.
Yes, it has it has been so much
Yes, it has it has been so much
worse overseas, but also the
worse overseas, but also the
fact that it is not shown on TV
fact that it is not shown on TV
TV. you have politicians
TV. you have politicians
stalking instead doctors you
stalking instead doctors you
don’t like here. People don’t
don’t like here. People don’t
show footage
of what it looks like and
of what it looks like and
ramifications that that has not
ramifications that that has not
just in your in your
just in your in your
respiratory at. An assistant
respiratory at. An assistant
the consequences that it can
the consequences that it can
have and how people die from
have and how people die from
from from
different problems not just
different problems not just
being the the respiratory
being the the respiratory
consequences being like a heart
consequences being like a heart
attacks and things like that.
attacks and things like that.
So I feel like that also also
So I feel like that also also
has an impact because when it
has an impact because when it
first appeared in when coach
first appeared in when coach
will. To to to address my mom,
will. To to to address my mom,
for example, she still has that
for example, she still has that
idea just like the flu. and for
idea just like the flu. and for
me knowing that my step dad my
me knowing that my step dad my
grandfather have problems. and
grandfather have problems. and
in terms of the immune system I
in terms of the immune system I
was trying to explain to her.
was trying to explain to her.
This is something that do not
This is something that do not
have immunity that has never
have immunity that has never
been experienced in in the
been experienced in in the
history. Humankind that’s can
history. Humankind that’s can
have really serious
have really serious
repercussions until the vaccine
repercussions until the vaccine
is developed, You can have you
is developed, You can have you
know so many mutations and
know so many mutations and
rereading so so it was only
rereading so so it was only
after Italy got bad and footage
after Italy got bad and footage
shiny that people really
shiny that people really
understood what was going on
understood what was going on
and really took it seriously
and really took it seriously
and bunker down and did
and bunker down and did
everything the correct way or
everything the correct way or
most of the most and there’s
most of the most and there’s
always there’s always you know
always there’s always you know
people that refused to. To
people that refused to. To
science or or think that
science or or think that
something can happen to them,
something can happen to them,
But yet yet it’s it’s I can’t
But yet yet it’s it’s I can’t
understand that you’re living
understand that you’re living
in a in a County or in the
in a in a County or in the
state. That’s it hasn’t been a
state. That’s it hasn’t been a
a bigger problem, a bigger
a bigger problem, a bigger
issues they don’t know
issues they don’t know
someone’s that has been through
someone’s that has been through
it or have lost someone or has
it or have lost someone or has
got it. It’s it’s so much
got it. It’s it’s so much
harder to make them understand
harder to make them understand
how. important. Susan How much
how. important. Susan How much
of an impact is having? it’s
of an impact is having? it’s
hard hard even how you know
hard hard even how you know
like the Christians are lifting
like the Christians are lifting
and I feel like people are
and I feel like people are
becoming very blessed say about
becoming very blessed say about
the the the whole thing. which
the the the whole thing. which
think it’s kind of fun because
think it’s kind of fun because
the position that we are in
the position that we are in
terms of the amount of new
terms of the amount of new
cases we’ve haven’t had more
cases we’ve haven’t had more
five for a couple of days. It’s
five for a couple of days. It’s
so scary, it’s still I think
so scary, it’s still I think
that you should be doing in the
that you should be doing in the
protections until everyone free
protections until everyone free
because if there’s one country
because if there’s one country
that is not that in the whole
that is not that in the whole
thing again. mm hmm. like I
thing again. mm hmm. like I
didn’t really understand what
didn’t really understand what
was happening. until I heard
was happening. until I heard
from my brother in law. it was
from my brother in law. it was
a nurse, nurse nurses in
a nurse, nurse nurses in
Washington state. he’s not in
Washington state. he’s not in
Seattle or. He’s out out he’s
Seattle or. He’s out out he’s
so he’s in the the hospital
so he’s in the the hospital
every he’s working overtime
every he’s working overtime
every at the same for his hits
every at the same for his hits
and all, he said, was yeah, you
and all, he said, was yeah, you
don’t mess with this. you just
don’t mess with this. you just
don’t, he says. I see it every
don’t, he says. I see it every
day you gotta you gotta be a
day you gotta you gotta be a
lot more careful than you think
lot more careful than you think
and be more careful than that.
and be more careful than that.
But you know that was me so
But you know that was me so
that was my so at least I had I
that was my so at least I had I
I had someone I actually had
I had someone I actually had
direct contact with it actually
direct contact with it actually
telling me about it But you
telling me about it But you
know, I other people the same
know, I other people the same
thing. but it’s not here. I
thing. but it’s not here. I
mean that’s everyone’s first
mean that’s everyone’s first
reaction. It’s not here because
reaction. It’s not here because
where you know isn’t the
where you know isn’t the
hospital? So why isn’t it
hospital? So why isn’t it
happening? And why isn’t this
happening? And why isn’t this
happening? well? it be here
happening? well? it be here
next and you just don’t know.
next and you just don’t know.
you know it could it’s it’s
you know it could it’s it’s
it’s so hard to predict these
it’s so hard to predict these
things, but how long do we live
things, but how long do we live
in fear and watch our tank
in fear and watch our tank
because of that fear. It’s
because of that fear. It’s
true. I’m not saying saying
true. I’m not saying saying
that it’s been the wrong course
that it’s been the wrong course
of action. I mean the way I
of action. I mean the way I
see. the resurgence of. black
see. the resurgence of. black
lives matter the the racial
lives matter the the racial
conversations is a a lot of
conversations is a a lot of
seems like they’ve posed the
seems like they’ve posed the
choice of staying at home. Stay
choice of staying at home. Stay
stay at home and die quietly or
stay at home and die quietly or
go out onto the streets and run
go out onto the streets and run
this risk and make a whole lot
this risk and make a whole lot
of noise and. Do something with
of noise and. Do something with
it? That’s what I’m with my
it? That’s what I’m with my
patients staying staying home.
patients staying staying home.
It’s driving people in pain.
It’s driving people in pain.
It’s it’s getting it’s getting
It’s it’s getting it’s getting
difficult and more difficult.
difficult and more difficult.
We We got the way to listen
stories about KT Fromm patient
stories about KT Fromm patient
in different acts aspects
in different acts aspects
economically
Family travels
money unemployment and all the
money unemployment and all the
things anxiety sleep disorders
things anxiety sleep disorders
and it’s the mental health
and it’s the mental health
professional talking problem of
professional talking problem of
post-traumatic stress disorder
post-traumatic stress disorder
disorder after so I think it’s
disorder after so I think it’s
going to happen because people
going to happen because people
are already vari. And so how
are already vari. And so how
long is going to this even
long is going to this even
different governments
work Organization of help. or
work Organization of help. or
whatever it is called so it’s
whatever it is called so it’s
safe to get out to live a
safe to get out to live a
normal life, but help people is
normal life, but help people is
going to feel. so it’s it’s
going to feel. so it’s it’s
hidden.
I will say in some when we
I will say in some when we
start the deep talk today that
start the deep talk today that
I was feeling personally very
I was feeling personally very
tired. of working even from
tired. of working even from
home working with my patients
home working with my patients
and with business is it’s
and with business is it’s
putting me very tired. and I
putting me very tired. and I
how idd my patients patients
how idd my patients patients
are my family and stuff and how
are my family and stuff and how
many people. Is their jobs and
many people. Is their jobs and
all the things that It’s not
all the things that It’s not
It’s it’s a disaster we need to
It’s it’s a disaster we need to
face it but if we don’t face it
face it but if we don’t face it
as it is. we want to put our
as it is. we want to put our
strengths together to work on
strengths together to work on
it, we can keep on denial as
it, we can keep on denial as
far as but if if this is
far as but if if this is
hitting us in different ways.
hitting us in different ways.
yeah. I don’t I don’t wanna
yeah. I don’t I don’t wanna
wanna be negative. I want to be
wanna be negative. I want to be
realistic. Yes, I I a hundred
realistic. Yes, I I a hundred
percent agree. I think we’ve
percent agree. I think we’ve
known kind since we first
known kind since we first
started seeing this happening
started seeing this happening
that it’s going to destroy far
that it’s going to destroy far
more people’s livelihoods. than
more people’s livelihoods. than
lives of the people that it’s
lives of the people that it’s
actually going claim that there
actually going claim that there
there’s. the amount of people
there’s. the amount of people
that are going to die from this
that are going to die from this
disease. but then.
Impact on livelihood of people
Impact on livelihood of people
is far more expensive. Yes it
is far more expensive. Yes it
it The.
there’s a is it possible that
there’s a is it possible that
we overreacted. in trying to
we overreacted. in trying to
keep safe in and inadvertently
keep safe in and inadvertently
caused damage to livelihood
caused damage to livelihood
than we needed to.
I to I love would love it if
I to I love would love it if
you I actually believe that
you I actually believe that
Economy be focused in the side
Economy be focused in the side
just for the simple fact that.
The more the the lockdown and
The more the the lockdown and
the are taken seriously, The
the are taken seriously, The
less amount of time you have to
less amount of time you have to
be in that situation the impact
be in that situation the impact
that has already been felt and
that has already been felt and
the repercussions have been
the repercussions have been
felt is going to be worse and
felt is going to be worse and
probably last a lot longer than
probably last a lot longer than
economic crisis in 2008 and
economic crisis in 2008 and
even the Great Great
even the Great Great
Depression. So I understand
Depression. So I understand
that economic fallout of this
that economic fallout of this
is definitely going to massive
is definitely going to massive
include a lot of people’s
include a lot of people’s
livelihoods into into cause.
livelihoods into into cause.
Add to the and add to the and
Add to the and add to the and
not that if you’re going to be
not that if you’re going to be
able to pay the rent buy food,
able to pay the rent buy food,
The thing is. in a working
The thing is. in a working
society. there is a social
society. there is a social
contract that the reason why
contract that the reason why
you pay taxes and when the
you pay taxes and when the
social contract is. manipulated
social contract is. manipulated
and and denigrated and taken
and and denigrated and taken
away little by little for the
away little by little for the
benefit of. Free market and you
benefit of. Free market and you
know bailing out big
know bailing out big
corporations and giving that
corporations and giving that
big tax breaks to be is that
big tax breaks to be is that
you know allowing allowing
you know allowing allowing
charity donations to be to be
charity donations to be to be
be tax and it’s just it’s still
be tax and it’s just it’s still
keeping the people that are at
keeping the people that are at
home anxious to people that
home anxious to people that
actually run the economy. the
actually run the economy. the
people that are the servers
people that are the servers
that the people that work in
that the people that work in
the work in the hospitality and
the work in the hospitality and
retail the people that make the
retail the people that make the
minimum. Wage Those are the
minimum. Wage Those are the
people that are left behind
people that are left behind
those are actually this awards
those are actually this awards
like for for for us to run to
like for for for us to run to
run as a society. We don’t
run as a society. We don’t
really need bankers, you know
really need bankers, you know
like we don’t we don’t need to
like we don’t we don’t need to
what what we need is to be
what what we need is to be
doing food and to be to be
doing food and to be to be
cleaning our streets and be be
cleaning our streets and be be
keeping the working working and
keeping the working working and
those are the people that have
those are the people that have
the bailout. so those are the
the bailout. so those are the
people that should have That
people that should have That
part their contracts in and I
part their contracts in and I
feel like that hasn’t that has
feel like that hasn’t that has
been taken away piece by piece
been taken away piece by piece
throughout throughout the the
throughout throughout the the
years. No maternity leave not
years. No maternity leave not
having sick leave not having
having sick leave not having
having like keeping people in a
having like keeping people in a
work situation where you know
work situation where you know
you you you don’t have a salary
you you you don’t have a salary
that allows you to just have
that allows you to just have
one job and be able to provide
one job and be able to provide
pay and feed yourself.
It’s it’s it’s been building up
It’s it’s it’s been building up
to. what what it is today and I
to. what what it is today and I
think that’s how it has exposed
think that’s how it has exposed
all of the fallouts that we
all of the fallouts that we
have as a society at large and
have as a society at large and
kind of stressed the it’s it’s
kind of stressed the it’s it’s
it’s stressed all parts of the
it’s stressed all parts of the
the system at the same time it
the system at the same time it
really has it really has what
really has it really has what
I’ve seen in a countries that
I’ve seen in a countries that
have been that in my. I feel
have been that in my. I feel
like that was the right thing
like that was the right thing
to do for example, I am
knowledgeable or or Aware of
knowledgeable or or Aware of
Portugal pushable immediately
Portugal pushable immediately
froze the rents electricity and
froze the rents electricity and
water it provided foods for for
water it provided foods for for
for for people each activated
for for people each activated
the military for them to feed
the military for them to feed
all all the homeless it makes
all all the homeless it makes
every immigrants until I think
every immigrants until I think
the end of July a resident so
the end of July a resident so
they have access to. And
they have access to. And
they’re not afraid of searching
they’re not afraid of searching
and looking for the services.
and looking for the services.
and therefore spreading if they
and therefore spreading if they
do have the disease. so
do have the disease. so
everything was kinda built in
everything was kinda built in
to support everyone while this
to support everyone while this
this was happening, the people
this was happening, the people
were okay with staying at home.
were okay with staying at home.
and not worried because you
and not worried because you
already have to worry about
already have to worry about
being that world pandemic that
being that world pandemic that
has never happened before and
has never happened before and
worried your loved ones and
worried your loved ones and
your own The last thing that
your own The last thing that
you need. Is to worry about if
you need. Is to worry about if
you’re to have a roof over your
you’re to have a roof over your
head or if you’re do get sick
head or if you’re do get sick
sick and go to hospital if
sick and go to hospital if
you’re going to bankrupt your
you’re going to bankrupt your
whole family. And there’s a
whole family. And there’s a
there’s a there’s a contract
there’s a there’s a contract
social contract there and if
social contract there and if
it’s not being met then
it’s not being met then
something does need to change
something does need to change
dramatically and I don’t think
dramatically and I don’t think
that opening the economy and of
that opening the economy and of
of course, the people,
of course, the people,
especially lower social
especially lower social
economic group that need to and
economic group that need to and
need to be out not because they
need to be out not because they
want to, but because they have
want to, but because they have
those are the people that are
those are the people that are
going to suffer. Those are the
going to suffer. Those are the
people that cannot afford
people that cannot afford
health care. Those are the
health care. Those are the
people that are going to die
people that are going to die
and those are the people that
and those are the people that
are on the streets.
So I think it is false economy
So I think it is false economy
to to only be looking at the
to to only be looking at the
economical side without wanting
economical side without wanting
form of because if you need to
form of because if you need to
put people’s lives in danger.
put people’s lives in danger.
something is not right.
Makes total sense I have
Makes total sense I have
nothing more to add we’ve been
nothing more to add we’ve been
going for just about two hours
going for just about two hours
now, now, so I we might wanna
now, now, so I we might wanna
do around like closing comments
do around like closing comments
and closing closing remarks
and closing closing remarks
give everybody an opportunity
give everybody an opportunity
to feel complete and that
to feel complete and that
they’ve been able to express
they’ve been able to express
themselves and feel heard Thank
themselves and feel heard Thank
you very much for coming this
you very much for coming this
is. been. More than I could
is. been. More than I could
have hoped for when opening
have hoped for when opening
this room ago, not knowing what
this room ago, not knowing what
we’re gonna talk about. So
we’re gonna talk about. So
thank you
thank you
magic plant.
magic plant. What else Are we
magic plant. What else Are we
gonna talk Sam? I mean we could
gonna talk Sam? I mean we could
we could we could have been
we could we could have been
making making a bet we could
making making a bet we could
making of tea houses. And that
making of tea houses. And that
just distraction. Yeah, I know
just distraction. Yeah, I know
I mean this is this is so like
I mean this is this is so like
in our faces right now. yeah,
in our faces right now. yeah,
no. thank you everybody for
no. thank you everybody for
having this conversation feel a
having this conversation feel a
little tinge of like. just kind
little tinge of like. just kind
of sadness that the only people
of sadness that the only people
that are really gonna ever
that are really gonna ever
listen to this conversation are
listen to this conversation are
people that are already like
people that are already like
preaching us and that’s what’s
preaching us and that’s what’s
kind of heartbreaking. It is
kind of heartbreaking. It is
like you know how do we how do
like you know how do we how do
we open that up? so yeah. Next
we open that up? so yeah. Next
time we we gather can talk some
time we we gather can talk some
actual plans about how we can
actual plans about how we can
make this conversation more
make this conversation more
inclusive because I guarantee
inclusive because I guarantee
you like my my parents and my
you like my my parents and my
that are you you know very
that are you you know very
different than my my ideology
different than my my ideology
like would not not even listen
like would not not even listen
to you have to say it it today
to you have to say it it today
would completely dismiss what
would completely dismiss what
you have to say, and that’s the
you have to say, and that’s the
whole point of what you’re
whole point of what you’re
saying to you know that’s just
saying to you know that’s just
kind of my my sadness right
kind of my my sadness right
now. I mean definitely don’t
now. I mean definitely don’t
listen to me. I’m a hypocrite.
listen to me. I’m a hypocrite.
I don’t know know what I’m
I don’t know know what I’m
talking about and I’m grateful
talking about and I’m grateful
I don’t my family. I mean those
I don’t my family. I mean those
are some some things that are
are some some things that are
responses when I try to talk
responses when I try to talk
about my my privilege and when
about my my privilege and when
to talk about you know like why
to talk about you know like why
I do the work that I do with
I do the work that I do with
with even people people that I
with even people people that I
so it’s it’s heartbreaking but
so it’s it’s heartbreaking but
it’s all good. We have tea. so
it’s all good. We have tea. so
you know. I’m feeling good.
you know. I’m feeling good.
Thank you guys.
I’m sorry, it’s conversation
I’m sorry, it’s conversation
was a little bit depressing. I
was a little bit depressing. I
was able to no you’re you’re
was able to no you’re you’re
you are a gift mccalla. I just
you are a gift mccalla. I just
I I feel. I don’t I just
I I feel. I don’t I just
growing up the way that I did
growing up the way that I did
only a couple of years after
only a couple of years after
the finish you know it was
the finish you know it was
really instilled in us that we
really instilled in us that we
need to be active. We need
need to be active. We need
aware we need to be be diligent
aware we need to be be diligent
that we need to be part of the
that we need to be part of the
conversation and we need to do
conversation and we need to do
our own work and and not depend
our own work and and not depend
on others. I feel like has
on others. I feel like has
allowed me to to have
allowed me to to have
conversations like but. At the
conversations like but. At the
time, like I exactly what Elise
time, like I exactly what Elise
is saying, you know like having
is saying, you know like having
conversations like this with
conversations like this with
family members and and people
family members and and people
that have not had that.
ability or needs to to to to
ability or needs to to to to
beyond what they’ve said, it’s
beyond what they’ve said, it’s
very it’s very hard and and
very it’s very hard and and
it’s and. I feel very happy. We
it’s and. I feel very happy. We
have this platform that we’re
have this platform that we’re
able to speak honestly and feel
able to speak honestly and feel
heard and to listen to
heard and to listen to
different sides it’s not about
different sides it’s not about
changing someone’s mind. What’s
changing someone’s mind. What’s
changing someone’s perspective?
changing someone’s perspective?
forcefully is is just putting.
forcefully is is just putting.
your forge and your knowledge
your forge and your knowledge
for and kind of debate and
for and kind of debate and
build on it. I really truly
build on it. I really truly
believe believe that you can
believe believe that you can
only have a opinion once you’ve
only have a opinion once you’ve
heard. Lots of and why got to
heard. Lots of and why got to
the conclusions that they have
the conclusions that they have
then make your own in your own
then make your own in your own
assumptions there. it’s it’s a
assumptions there. it’s it’s a
good conversation with to to to
good conversation with to to to
to have conversation
to have conversation
conversation so we can all no
conversation so we can all no
longer each and and create a
longer each and and create a
better a better reality for
better a better reality for
each other.
So thank you. Jeremy Brian
So thank you. Jeremy Brian
Closing thoughts I think I I
Closing thoughts I think I I
just wanted to fill up the the
just wanted to fill up the the
thought it it actually is don’t
thought it it actually is don’t
be afraid to surround yourself
be afraid to surround yourself
with people who disagree with
with people who disagree with
you. it’s really important to
you. it’s really important to
surround yourself people who
surround yourself people who
disagree with because at least
disagree with because at least
it does is it helps it helps
it does is it helps it helps
you formulate your own
you formulate your own
argument. And if you convince
argument. And if you convince
one person you you can probably
one person you you can probably
more effectively so for many
more effectively so for many
more.
but I think too often people do
but I think too often people do
avoid that uncomfortable
avoid that uncomfortable
conversation. but they really.
conversation. but they really.
need it. If it does is it helps
need it. If it does is it helps
it helps you formulate your own
it helps you formulate your own
argument. and if you can
argument. and if you can
convince one person you can.
What I Yeah, I did it. Sorry.
What I Yeah, I did it. Sorry.
Sorry Jeremy I’m very very
Sorry Jeremy I’m very very
sorry. That was my fault. I
sorry. That was my fault. I
take responsibility for that.
take responsibility for that.
shame.
Is now. What was is it it all
Is now. What was is it it all
day? What happened? No? We’re
day? What happened? No? We’re
good. Oh. yeah. We’re good. I I
good. Oh. yeah. We’re good. I I
just I I was trying to listen
just I I was trying to listen
Jeremy talk more and I made
Jeremy talk more and I made
that happen. so I’m sorry that
that happen. so I’m sorry that
was my bad. Brian would you
was my bad. Brian would you
would you like to offer any
would you like to offer any
closing remarks? Yeah, I this
closing remarks? Yeah, I this
has been a dominant
has been a dominant
conversation for a.m. of
conversation for a.m. of
reasons I’m grateful for the
reasons I’m grateful for the
space to. continue talking
space to. continue talking
about it and be present with
about it and be present with
those who are sharing some
those who are sharing some
really challenging. state mind,
really challenging. state mind,
but still being willing to be
but still being willing to be
in those conversations. I mean
in those conversations. I mean
our some people that we know
our some people that we know
that are in the in in
that are in the in in
profession of PR have been
profession of PR have been
instructed us very strongly to
instructed us very strongly to
not say anything like that’s.
Exactly what we should do.
Exactly what we should do.
That’s exactly how we’ve got
That’s exactly how we’ve got
Figuring out we’re going from
Figuring out we’re going from
here.
Wonderful Thank you guys all
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