Thursday, June 11, 2020 - Tead Talks - Society, Education, & Privilege

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Sculpture painting jewelry and
industrial design Graphic

industrial design Graphic
Graphic like you had everything

Graphic like you had everything
so you would have a better

so you would have a better
understanding of different

understanding of different
professions that are out there

professions that are out there
within that field and then when

within that field and then when
you to University which

you to University which
majority is free and and it’s

majority is free and and it’s
actually illegal, not to finish

actually illegal, not to finish
high high school in It’s just

high high school in It’s just
like you you go to to to the

like you you go to to to the
universities and some of them.

universities and some of them.
The year of all of the

The year of all of the
different courses is the same,

different courses is the same,
so you are build up with the

so you are build up with the
you know knowledge that binds

you know knowledge that binds
you together and then you go

you together and then you go
and grow into your own into

and grow into your own into
your own. profession, but

your own. profession, but
there’s some a better

there’s some a better
understanding of what is out

understanding of what is out
there and you can you can still

there and you can you can still
change younger sister she she.

change younger sister she she.
She did and then she wasn’t too

She did and then she wasn’t too
sure if she wanted to go into

sure if she wanted to go into
science. She changed and went

science. She changed and went
to a high school that. hated it

to a high school that. hated it
so prefer arts and. to-night.

so prefer arts and. to-night.
It’s just a way of.

It’s just a way of.
personalizing the the the

personalizing the the the
system is so standardized and

system is so standardized and
often pushes people that don’t

often pushes people that don’t
fit the and and I’m not

fit the and and I’m not
interested like here in

interested like here in
Australia. I find that the

Australia. I find that the
educational system is really

educational system is really
lacking they students to

lacking they students to
promote or you. Behind and if

promote or you. Behind and if
you left behinds, then you have

you left behinds, then you have
traits that you can that you

traits that you can that you
can do and the very high regard

can do and the very high regard
as socially because it’s a

as socially because it’s a
country that is still

country that is still
developing and it’s still

developing and it’s still
building and they they do have

building and they they do have
apprentices for four years and

apprentices for four years and
look to the What we’re doing

look to the What we’re doing
and it’s not the universities

and it’s not the universities
similar to ours and. They they

similar to ours and. They they
do that for years to become a

do that for years to become a
of a model and they make quite

of a model and they make quite
a quite a lot of money. So this

a quite a lot of money. So this
is great divide in Australia in

is great divide in Australia in
terms of education. how high

terms of education. how high
can you a penny goes,

can you a penny goes,
especially because because now

especially because because now
it’s become a very americanized

it’s become a very americanized
and expensive to to do hide

and expensive to to do hide
education. But yeah, it’s it’s

education. But yeah, it’s it’s
it’s interesting to see that

it’s interesting to see that
different countries and the

different countries and the
repercussion. That the the the

repercussion. That the the the
education system has. I wish I

education system has. I wish I
could more education arts

could more education arts
during a high school because I

during a high school because I
as far as I could understand

as far as I could understand
but it happened the with me

but it happened the with me
when I was in high school here

when I was in high school here
in Ecuador the the first first

in Ecuador the the first first
year are like common and they

year are like common and they
use specialized so I went for

use specialized so I went for
science since I was young, I

science since I was young, I
wanted to be a doctor. I was

wanted to be a doctor. I was
sure.

And the only thing have is

And the only thing have is
they’re doing during a high

they’re doing during a high
school and even primary school.

school and even primary school.
I mean mean basic school, you

I mean mean basic school, you
know different names and

know different names and
different countries, but I used

different countries, but I used
to have a piece of I don’t know

to have a piece of I don’t know
a lot or and you had to put

a lot or and you had to put
bees and the signs of and I

bees and the signs of and I
hate it. I hate that it was.

hate it. I hate that it was.
For I start to to teach. with

For I start to to teach. with
when when I put in human beings

when when I put in human beings
that that goal is I know. when

that that goal is I know. when
I when when I a sock I I saw

I when when I a sock I I saw
like when when you took from a

like when when you took from a
surgery the only speech I so

surgery the only speech I so
that that only are they did to

that that only are they did to
me. It didn’t work I still

me. It didn’t work I still
speak to myself like it was

speak to myself like it was
after surgery. so. And the

after surgery. so. And the
other thing was was like we to

other thing was was like we to
to play basketball. Oh my God

to play basketball. Oh my God
and my size is like a a meter

and my size is like a a meter
and a I I don’t know how is in

and a I I don’t know how is in
in in the American measures so

in in the American measures so
without high heels my size and

without high heels my size and
as a meter and a half. so I’m

as a meter and a half. so I’m
not good enough. I’m good for

not good enough. I’m good for
basketball. I enjoy martial

basketball. I enjoy martial
arts. state and stuff, and they

arts. state and stuff, and they
encourage me to play basketball

encourage me to play basketball
so it was not good for I wish I

so it was not good for I wish I
could have other options but

could have other options but
then I when growing by growing.

then I when growing by growing.
that’s that’s what Aed me.

But not put the speeches.

I it’s all that it sounded like

I it’s all that it sounded like
it sounds like your path

it sounds like your path
provided you with it. give you

provided you with it. give you
a lot of autonomy to choose at

a lot of autonomy to choose at
least the frames at least

least the frames at least
choose the boxes which you

choose the boxes which you
played in. yeah that even if

played in. yeah that even if
they were putting even if they

they were putting even if they
were putting you into a a box

were putting you into a a box
and some way a lot of the

and some way a lot of the
education education systems do

education education systems do
you at least got to pick which

you at least got to pick which
box you went into? Yeah. I I

box you went into? Yeah. I I
was, think that I forgot to

was, think that I forgot to
mention in Australia they do

mention in Australia they do
have the possibility of you

have the possibility of you
choosing different subjects and

choosing different subjects and
adding it to your curriculum

adding it to your curriculum
and and I bring it to your but

and and I bring it to your but
I find actually to be conducive

I find actually to be conducive
because when you’re I mean in

because when you’re I mean in
some in some in some cases, not

some in some in some cases, not
everyone everyone of course who

everyone everyone of course who
might find something that they

might find something that they
really like and follow that as

really like and follow that as
a career and I just. That when

a career and I just. That when
you’re that young. you you

you’re that young. you you
don’t know the variety of

don’t know the variety of
professions in the of a field

professions in the of a field
that you you enjoy then have

that you you enjoy then have
you’re just you know I like

you’re just you know I like
like art because I like drawing

like art because I like drawing
or because like painting you

or because like painting you
don’t know about you know

don’t know about you know
jewelry design fashion designer

jewelry design fashion designer
and and it’s not at least there

and and it’s not at least there
and like a graphic designers

and like a graphic designers
and and and and who

and and and and who
Michelangelo. And things like

Michelangelo. And things like
just just it’s you but you need

just just it’s you but you need
that you need that that to the

that you need that that to the
context of the past present and

context of the past present and
to understand what is about to

to understand what is about to
come. So I feel like the the

come. So I feel like the the
people that I had throughout my

people that I had throughout my
life in in terms of teaching

life in in terms of teaching
they were so.

They were so they were so

They were so they were so
important they were so

important they were so
passionate they were and that’s

passionate they were and that’s
because the people that were

because the people that were
there attending their classes.

there attending their classes.
They were there because they

They were there because they
already had something in

already had something in
common. It wasn’t like they

common. It wasn’t like they
were being forced to there It.

were being forced to there It.
It’s very in at least since the

It’s very in at least since the
in in in - four educational

in in in - four educational
education was always seen as

education was always seen as
Improve yourself and to improve

Improve yourself and to improve
the quality of and your your

the quality of and your your
life’s so you you grow up with

life’s so you you grow up with
that everyone is going to go to

that everyone is going to go to
University because it’s it’s

University because it’s it’s
it’s free and it’s kinda

it’s free and it’s kinda
expected of you like you finish

expected of you like you finish
you finish high school

you finish high school
mandatory to to finish high

mandatory to to finish high
then although we do have some

then although we do have some
traits that earned to to

traits that earned to to
University for most people go

University for most people go
to University so in my case,

to University so in my case,
for example, I finished my Ma,

for example, I finished my Ma,
not my BA in 2008, that’s when

not my BA in 2008, that’s when
the economic crisis hit in in

the economic crisis hit in in
the and everyone was saying

the and everyone was saying
this is going to go away years.

this is going to go away years.
so I thought right well. I know

so I thought right well. I know
that I’m going to do Master’s.

that I’m going to do Master’s.
Eventually, of course, I would

Eventually, of course, I would
would love it to it under a

would love it to it under a
company and be paid for it, but

company and be paid for it, but
I’ll just do it now and then by

I’ll just do it now and then by
the end of it. they come. Would

the end of it. they come. Would
have would have

have would have
pass to

pass to it, which I think

pass to it, which I think
everyone can have the idea in

everyone can have the idea in
in so the majority of the

in so the majority of the
population is really educated.

population is really educated.
It’s gonna have a VA probably

It’s gonna have a VA probably
probably have a-b a in a

probably have a-b a in a
Masters yeah we even had a

Masters yeah we even had a
situation where our Prime

situation where our Prime
during the economic crisis.

during the economic crisis.
told us my generation. To go

told us my generation. To go
and work. outside of the

and work. outside of the
country and and then eventually

country and and then eventually
come back and rebuild Portugal

come back and rebuild Portugal
forces economy, and that’s

forces economy, and that’s
exactly what I’m.

That’s even in my in in my in

That’s even in my in in my in
which I think think we were 33

which I think think we were 33
and when I. moved to London.

Check back and I I can call

Check back and I I can call
we’re Portugal everyone else

we’re Portugal everyone else
left and from then I could

left and from then I could
spend 10 years now or more than

spend 10 years now or more than
10 years 12 years every single

10 years 12 years every single
time that I go back to my

time that I go back to my
hometown to Puerto when I used

hometown to Puerto when I used
to walk the streets of Porto, I

to walk the streets of Porto, I
would I would have to basically

would I would have to basically
like every 10 minutes. It’s say

like every 10 minutes. It’s say
hello to someone and now I can

hello to someone and now I can
go there every single day and

go there every single day and
not to anyone know. Which is

not to anyone know. Which is
very good pricing for me.

I think interesting.

Moving and that is so sometimes

Moving and that is so sometimes
it’s hard sometimes it’s sad,

it’s hard sometimes it’s sad,
but it’s interesting.

At least you’re educational

At least you’re educational
path was I I know spent time

path was I I know spent time
with the Peace Corps. I don’t

with the Peace Corps. I don’t
don’t when that was in your

don’t when that was in your
path, but it definitely seems

path, but it definitely seems
like. a path path at as far as

like. a path path at as far as
people that that I Yeah, No.

people that that I Yeah, No.
it’s a good one that was after

it’s a good one that was after
College. So that’s the thing

College. So that’s the thing
about the Corso. It’s a a

about the Corso. It’s a a
government program run by the

government program run by the
State Department. It’s pretty

State Department. It’s pretty
pretty much the opposite of

pretty much the opposite of
military but. Of the main

military but. Of the main
prerequisites that you have a

prerequisites that you have a
undergraduate degree and it’s

undergraduate degree and it’s
actually quite competitive to

actually quite competitive to
get into it, you know so it’s

get into it, you know so it’s
not something that like fresh

not something that like fresh
out of high school, school. you

out of high school, school. you
can say, Oh, I’m gonna go join

can say, Oh, I’m gonna go join
the Corps and become a hippie

the Corps and become a hippie
like you know kinda have to but

like you know kinda have to but
I grow up in two different

I grow up in two different
education systems that were

education systems that were
like very contrasting and they

like very contrasting and they
were both here in the US one

were both here in the US one
was in Texas and then one in

was in Texas and then one in
California yeah. so. In the US,

California yeah. so. In the US,
there’s much culture difference

there’s much culture difference
on where you grow up and you

on where you grow up and you
know treat their education

know treat their education
system in Texas, it was much

system in Texas, it was much
much more competitive that I

much more competitive that I
moved to California and like I

moved to California and like I
moved to California halfway

moved to California halfway
through my freshman year of

through my freshman year of
high school and it was like a

high school and it was like a
piece of cake you know once

piece of cake you know once
once I move over and it’s just

once I move over and it’s just
like became so and you know I

like became so and you know I
ended up ranking in the top of

ended up ranking in the top of
my class and I hardly even

my class and I hardly even
tried and then. Yeah, but the

tried and then. Yeah, but the
Peace Corp is definitely. so

Peace Corp is definitely. so
gratitude for that experience

gratitude for that experience
and so I anybody like any young

and so I anybody like any young
person even people like anybody

person even people like anybody
can apply actually of the

can apply actually of the
government has been doing some

government has been doing some
campaigns over the past decade

campaigns over the past decade
or so it’s an increase amount

or so it’s an increase amount
of retirees that joined the

of retirees that joined the
Corps. so it’s not just like

Corps. so it’s not just like
this useful you fresh College

this useful you fresh College
grad you know, click to into

grad you know, click to into
and travel around the world.

and travel around the world.
they’re really trying to

they’re really trying to
encourage you know people. I’m

encourage you know people. I’m
looking for something more

looking for something more
their life after career is

their life after career is
finished you know, do some

finished you know, do some
interesting work. my second

interesting work. my second
assignment There was a woman. I

assignment There was a woman. I
did two assignments. I did one

did two assignments. I did one
in Niger was Africa and then I

in Niger was Africa and then I
did one the Caribbean so the

did one the Caribbean so the
two two polar opposites of

two two polar opposites of
least developed to like the

least developed to like the
developed of all the peace core

developed of all the peace core
countries and in the in the

countries and in the in the
Caribbean when there was like

Caribbean when there was like
an 86 year-old woman in my

an 86 year-old woman in my
stash. That joined with us was

stash. That joined with us was
was pretty incredible. she she

was pretty incredible. she she
ended up lasting for a few

ended up lasting for a few
months but. there was a pretty

months but. there was a pretty
incredible two months of her

incredible two months of her
life. but so like so like

life. but so like so like
development work, you know they

development work, you know they
they put you into like a rural

they put you into like a rural
village somewhere you like live

village somewhere you like live
with the local people and a lot

with the local people and a lot
of that it’s kind kind of

of that it’s kind kind of
charity work or like nonprofit

charity work or like nonprofit
yeah you like work for a

yeah you like work for a
nonprofit like a doctors

nonprofit like a doctors
without borders or like that.

without borders or like that.
it’s very different than an NGO

it’s very different than an NGO
and it’s like. The reason I do

and it’s like. The reason I do
business the way that I do do

business the way that I do do
it, you cuz I don’t you money

it, you cuz I don’t you money
like an NGO they’ll come into

like an NGO they’ll come into
projects with money. They’re

projects with money. They’re
well funded they run extremely

well funded they run extremely
but it’s good that they’re all

but it’s good that they’re all
funded because then they can

funded because then they can
and they’ll go into places that

and they’ll go into places that
need work and kind of inject

need work and kind of inject
the project there and then

the project there and then
leave you know and and like

leave you know and and like
seed and education and

seed and education and
empowerment far important for

empowerment far important for
nonprofits. then. The business,

nonprofits. then. The business,
you know they are so well

you know they are so well
funded and that’s part of their

funded and that’s part of their
process their fundraising

process their fundraising
process is constantly. you

process is constantly. you
know, telling people what doing

know, telling people what doing
this project and that project

this project and that project
and that project and we’re

and that project and we’re
raising money to do this but

raising money to do this but
with but with the Peace they

with but with the Peace they
just like send you out with no

just like send you out with no
money and so like there’s so

money and so like there’s so
many walls that you have to

many walls that you have to
break down before you can even

break down before you can even
start connecting and because

start connecting and because
like in the village that I. And

like in the village that I. And
and and and all the surrounding

and and and all the surrounding
villages I’d like walk and try

villages I’d like walk and try
to go like introduce myself and

to go like introduce myself and
make some new friends there was

make some new friends there was
always like a White person.

always like a White person.
What do you bring for us? What

What do you bring for us? What
do you gonna what are you gonna

do you gonna what are you gonna
give us and that was a whole

give us and that was a whole
learning curve of how to

learning curve of how to
navigate that you know like how

navigate that you know like how
to navigate that ignorance and

to navigate that ignorance and
and tell them no, I didn’t

and tell them no, I didn’t
bring any money. I just bought

bring any money. I just bought
myself. you know so really

myself. you know so really
taught me a lot about how to

taught me a lot about how to
listen and you know how. The

listen and you know how. The
right things to the table to to

right things to the table to to
make things happen, so

make things happen, so
definitely the Peace Corps was

definitely the Peace Corps was
a very important part of my my

a very important part of my my
education. Yeah, we’re we’re

education. Yeah, we’re we’re
showing up see how you could be

showing up see how you could be
of service rather than up with

of service rather than up with
an agenda service. Yeah exactly

an agenda service. Yeah exactly
that’s a huge difference. for

that’s a huge difference. for
cuz I I have to say. I’m I see

cuz I I have to say. I’m I see
I see a lot of people going

I see a lot of people going
with the right intentions but

with the right intentions but
then ending up having. an

then ending up having. an
effect. It’s just it’s it’s

effect. It’s just it’s it’s
feeding the of poverty and

feeding the of poverty and
dependence instead of

dependence instead of
empowering them to get out of

empowering them to get out of
it and then you have to deal

it and then you have to deal
with other things like White

with other things like White
Savior complex and things like

Savior complex and things like
that And yeah, I I so prefer

that And yeah, I I so prefer
that I think that that a more

that I think that that a more
humane way or both reaching and

humane way or both reaching and
help people. Yeah. So you I

help people. Yeah. So you I
learn go ahead and learn I

learn go ahead and learn I
learn two different ways

learn two different ways
because. I studied in a

because. I studied in a
Catholic private only for for

Catholic private only for for
high school. you know.

Oh my God such a thing. It’s

Oh my God such a thing. It’s
very particular. I am not it

very particular. I am not it
doesn’t work with with me and I

doesn’t work with with me and I
think they are. I have nothing

think they are. I have nothing
against Church. I need to to

against Church. I need to to
say but doesn’t does not were

say but doesn’t does not were
in pain they wouldn’t. Bosco

in pain they wouldn’t. Bosco
style your hair Miss Vasquez

style your hair Miss Vasquez
Ving with your. Mid-july your

Ving with your. Mid-july your
nails that stuff and he doesn’t

nails that stuff and he doesn’t
work and we go to this this

work and we go to this this
meeting for graduate graduate

meeting for graduate graduate
high school amount of years

high school amount of years
ago. I won’t say how much. but

ago. I won’t say how much. but
we graduated time ago and we we

we graduated time ago and we we
were supposed to have this

were supposed to have this
meeting this year and I was

meeting this year and I was
like all these nuns are going

like all these nuns are going
to see me with my arms tattoo

to see me with my arms tattoo
to it. My ears and that stuff

to it. My ears and that stuff
and it’s going to be fun but I

and it’s going to be fun but I
couldn’t do it because of it,

couldn’t do it because of it,
but that is waiting maly I must

but that is waiting maly I must
confess but what what what what

confess but what what what what
is it coined of that? That was

is it coined of that? That was
the only chance for being in in

the only chance for being in in
working with people with. their

working with people with. their
what they did.

Those because we

30 -year-old from very very

30 -year-old from very very
previus high schools, we were

previus high schools, we were
supposed to teach them stuff

supposed to teach them stuff
but they they want us teach

but they they want us teach
what they and I think it wasn’t

what they and I think it wasn’t
fair because they wanted to

fair because they wanted to
play they wanted to they wanted

play they wanted to they wanted
to. Mayport to have fun and the

to. Mayport to have fun and the
and and they wanted to the

and and they wanted to the
Catholicism. and it was not was

Catholicism. and it was not was
not far or nothing for them at

not far or nothing for them at
their age. so it didn’t work

their age. so it didn’t work
for me but then then when I

for me but then then when I
finishing high school, I met

finishing high school, I met
this this medical groups

this this medical groups
mission trips USA and they.

mission trips USA and they.
Travel around my own country.

Travel around my own country.
doing medical work so it it was

doing medical work so it it was
what I really enjoy it because

what I really enjoy it because
I went to places of my own

I went to places of my own
country that didn’t even was

country that didn’t even was
able because they were far away

able because they were far away
in the in the the jungle they

in the in the the jungle they
were to go and perform surgery

were to go and perform surgery
there and I describe as a

there and I describe as a
translator because I was in

translator because I was in
high school, but then I went to

high school, but then I went to
med students. And it was it was

med students. And it was it was
very nice because I could

very nice because I could
people getting better and it

people getting better and it
helped to develop the community

helped to develop the community
because they’re held be

because they’re held be
in-group. That’s awesome. I

in-group. That’s awesome. I
think I think that’s my my. my

think I think that’s my my. my
issue with it is that. in in

issue with it is that. in in
Europe or at least in my

Europe or at least in my
experience

Different from I think because

Different from I think because
in other countries because

in other countries because
coming from from the that have

coming from from the that have
been in a a dictatorship with

been in a a dictatorship with
the first thing that we do when

the first thing that we do when
meet someone is talk about

meet someone is talk about
politics. talk about religion

politics. talk about religion
about the issues that might be

about the issues that might be
taboo or hush hush in in other

taboo or hush hush in in other
cultures, and but we do it way

cultures, and but we do it way
of what kind person that is, if

of what kind person that is, if
in tune with. And with our

in tune with. And with our
beliefs and how much different

beliefs and how much different
we into cultivating a

we into cultivating a
relationship with with and so

relationship with with and so
I’m really used to speaking

I’m really used to speaking
about religion and my issues

about religion and my issues
with it and I see a program

with it and I see a program
like that, I’m always really

like that, I’m always really
conflicted because there’s

conflicted because there’s
people that go into it and with

people that go into it and with
the right reasons and they’re

the right reasons and they’re
doing the right right thing and

doing the right right thing and
you know the with the medical

you know the with the medical
expertise and helping but then

expertise and helping but then
when. Learn about history when

when. Learn about history when
when you learn you know.

when you learn you know.
slavery or and you see the role

slavery or and you see the role
that that’s religion had into

that that’s religion had into
it and still wants to have in

it and still wants to have in
lots lots of cultures you start

lots lots of cultures you start
to wonder if they’re doing it

to wonder if they’re doing it
for. spreading their mindset or

for. spreading their mindset or
if it’s more spreading for

if it’s more spreading for
control control and of other

control control and of other
people’s culture cuz you go to

people’s culture cuz you go to
like the American Indians to to

like the American Indians to to
the. The Australian population

the. The Australian population
and really really colonized

and really really colonized
country in the in the first

country in the in the first
thing they do is indoctrinating

thing they do is indoctrinating
with in most cases because all

with in most cases because all
religion given them different

religion given them different
names feeding them to to speak

names feeding them to to speak
their language and to follow

their language and to follow
their own beliefs and watch for

their own beliefs and watch for
their their experience and can

their their experience and can
force them to become something

force them to become something
that they are not and then you

that they are not and then you
go to countries that are really

go to countries that are really
poor and know those are. It

poor and know those are. It
seems to have like a

seems to have like a
relationship with with the

relationship with with the
economy The the country is the

economy The the country is the
more religion and the more

more religion and the more
relationship becomes and then

relationship becomes and then
when you have countries like

when you have countries like
the the Philippines and

the the Philippines and
countries like that that’s when

countries like that that’s when
the pope is not allowed

the pope is not allowed
contraception and you know

contraception and you know
people just miserable lives

people just miserable lives
with of Bess and living in

with of Bess and living in
poverty. I just think that

poverty. I just think that
it’s. is manipulation. Of

it’s. is manipulation. Of
people and used as a control to

people and used as a control to
more than let’s all unite and

more than let’s all unite and
follow actual teachings that we

follow actual teachings that we
want everyone to believe that

want everyone to believe that
we do follow. My two cents it.

we do follow. My two cents it.
Powerful I appreciate those

Powerful I appreciate those
very much and appreciated

very much and appreciated
appreciated the frame of how

appreciated the frame of how
you with people by by assessing

you with people by by assessing
their beliefs after that kind

their beliefs after that kind
of a of a social in in present

of a of a social in in present
events, there’s Alexis

events, there’s Alexis
cancelled I can’t can’t say

cancelled I can’t can’t say
that name publisher article

that name publisher article
about what did you do? I’m

about what did you do? I’m
answering the question of like

answering the question of like
when this? When subsides and

when this? When subsides and
some new form of normal life.

some new form of normal life.
happens. people are gonna ask

happens. people are gonna ask
that question and many friends

that question and many friends
and he asked the question like

and he asked the question like
his child growing up and asking

his child growing up and asking
what did you do during that

what did you do during that
time? but hadn’t thought about

time? but hadn’t thought about
it about a conversations when

it about a conversations when
when we get back to

when we get back to
face-to-face coffee and stuff

face-to-face coffee and stuff
like that.

Thank you. God bless you. Yeah.

Thank you. God bless you. Yeah.
I know the context of our

I know the context of our
conversations even in casual

conversations even in casual
conversations can be very

conversations can be very
different now. Brian you know

different now. Brian you know
already noticed that I’ve

already noticed that I’ve
started socializing a little

started socializing a little
bit, not a lot a little bit. I

bit, not a lot a little bit. I
mean Las Vegas been open for

mean Las Vegas been open for
like a month. I’m gonna go eat

like a month. I’m gonna go eat
at my first restaurant today

at my first restaurant today
and like an an that’s really

and like an an that’s really
one of the reservation what

one of the reservation what
yeah restaurant called Limo

yeah restaurant called Limo
Leon It’’s a Peruvian ceviche

Leon It’’s a Peruvian ceviche
restaurant. my favorite

restaurant. my favorite
restaurant here in town and so.

restaurant here in town and so.
I’m but anyway, I’ve I started

I’m but anyway, I’ve I started
to dabble in socializing and I

to dabble in socializing and I
don’t know if it’s just me but

don’t know if it’s just me but
like all of my conversations

like all of my conversations
are Super intense, you know and

are Super intense, you know and
like like directly to the point

like like directly to the point
of talking, not necessarily

of talking, not necessarily
politics. I that’s just a ???

politics. I that’s just a ???
show in our country right but

show in our country right but
talking about like some of the

talking about like some of the
ethical things and something

ethical things and something
that’s been like a recurring.

that’s been like a recurring.
kind of of theme is like kind

kind of of theme is like kind
of the ethics. Like asking your

of the ethics. Like asking your
friends who they’ve been

friends who they’ve been
hanging out with. you know and

hanging out with. you know and
and it’s like it’s almost like

and it’s like it’s almost like
kind of the same same ethics

kind of the same same ethics
around like whenever you you

around like whenever you you
meet a new new lover and and

meet a new new lover and and
there’s like they oh do I need

there’s like they oh do I need
to tell tell you why I’m with

to tell tell you why I’m with
before you know or who I’m

before you know or who I’m
currently sleeping and and so I

currently sleeping and and so I
was like you’re talking with

was like you’re talking with
your your friends. It’s like to

your your friends. It’s like to
tell you who who I’ve been

tell you who who I’ve been
hanging out with and it’s well

hanging out with and it’s well
I kinda feel like you should.

I kinda feel like you should.
know now is the to come when we

know now is the to come when we
can pitch by buddies dot com.

He has a commercial jingle and

He has a commercial jingle and
every man. It’s a really good

every man. It’s a really good
at commercial. We’ve been we’ve

at commercial. We’ve been we’ve
we’ve been talking about like I

we’ve been talking about like I
mean bought the domain and one

mean bought the domain and one
of our citizenss made of of

of our citizenss made of of
hilariously commercial jingle

hilariously commercial jingle
and we’ve been talking about.

and we’ve been talking about.
like what’s what’s the actual

like what’s what’s the actual
consent conversation and you

consent conversation and you
know don’t it’s hard to have a

know don’t it’s hard to have a
conversation like often do you

conversation like often do you
wear your mask and you know how

wear your mask and you know how
often you wash your hands and

often you wash your hands and
you come inside and have you

you come inside and have you
been in contact anyone like

been in contact anyone like
stuff that that people will

stuff that that people will
overestimate or lie about and

overestimate or lie about and
so we’re now thinking of like

so we’re now thinking of like
more heartfelt questions. I

more heartfelt questions. I
like you know, do you know

like you know, do you know
anyone who’s dying because and

anyone who’s dying because and
then and and then you know kind

then and and then you know kind
of like the problem where you

of like the problem where you
you start with a question of

you start with a question of
like you know, hey to make you

like you know, hey to make you
feel safe. Do you know of

feel safe. Do you know of
anyone? that’s at risk risk

anyone? that’s at risk risk
really kind of into you know

really kind of into you know
how would you feel if they got

how would you feel if they got
sick and then do you know

sick and then do you know
anyone who’s gotten sick? You

anyone who’s gotten sick? You
know anyone who has died? How

know anyone who has died? How
would you feel if you found out

would you feel if you found out
that you could have have been

that you could have have been
the cause of that person’s

the cause of that person’s
death and then basically

death and then basically
asking. Questions and then then

asking. Questions and then then
floating the to the person that

floating the to the person that
they’re to go have coffee with

they’re to go have coffee with
just to be like yo like I’m not

just to be like yo like I’m not
not gonna ask you what your

not gonna ask you what your
are, but I want you to

are, but I want you to
understand how important this

understand how important this
is to me and I wanna know know

is to me and I wanna know know
how important it you cuz that’s

how important it you cuz that’s
what we’re talking about. Yeah.

what we’re talking about. Yeah.
Yeah I have I have to say it’s

Yeah I have I have to say it’s
very sad for for me to hear

very sad for for me to hear
that you need such a so join

that you need such a so join
us. That’s a set that to be

us. That’s a set that to be
able to ask this question

able to ask this question
another thing. I’m not trying

another thing. I’m not trying
to be like no please look at

to be like no please look at
us. We’re we’re we’re we’re

us. We’re we’re we’re we’re
we’re so much but another thing

we’re so much but another thing
thing that we are taught and

thing that we are taught and
Portugal is citizen. What are

Portugal is citizen. What are
your duties and what are your

your duties and what are your
rights as a you freedom stops

rights as a you freedom stops
when infringing on on someone

when infringing on on someone
else’s freedom if you’re

else’s freedom if you’re
listening to music in your

listening to music in your
airports, totally fine if you

airports, totally fine if you
listen to it as long as you

listen to it as long as you
want, but you still have it in

want, but you still have it in
Speaker, you are other. listen

Speaker, you are other. listen
to your music and that’s it now

to your music and that’s it now
so so is so embedded in you you

so so is so embedded in you you
don’t think just about yourself

don’t think just about yourself
you need to think about the

you need to think about the
entire the entire situation and

entire the entire situation and
I think. I’m sure he has to do,

I think. I’m sure he has to do,
of course with the political

of course with the political
and with with everything being

and with with everything being
politicized, if based on facts

politicized, if based on facts
and got forbid people believe

and got forbid people believe
on that. So it’s just it’s just

on that. So it’s just it’s just
really sad for me a country US,

really sad for me a country US,
that’s that are proud of itself

that’s that are proud of itself
to be the best country in the

to be the best country in the
world and you know and. First

world and you know and. First
all of those things and they

all of those things and they
don’t know how to do that much

don’t know how to do that much
for someone else that can be be

for someone else that can be be
in danger. It’s so

in danger. It’s so
individualistic the eccentric

individualistic the eccentric
and maniac It’s real. It’s the

and maniac It’s real. It’s the
it’s the logical counter

it’s the logical counter
balance to colonialism you like

balance to colonialism you like
America was founded on freedom

America was founded on freedom
and individuality and so it’s

and individuality and so it’s
when you look back 300. And a

when you look back 300. And a
hard over correction in the

hard over correction in the
same way that when I got out of

same way that when I got out of
my in College hardt over

my in College hardt over
corrected and went to to the

corrected and went to to the
other side spectrum before that

other side spectrum before that
relationship and then two years

relationship and then two years
later, I was let me find the

later, I was let me find the
Middle. you know what we’re

Middle. you know what we’re
talking talking about time

talking talking about time
scale of years. I think it’s

scale of years. I think it’s
supposed to be in the fact

supposed to be in the fact
that. America amongst Americans

that. America amongst Americans
educational system in the

educational system in the
different States and within the

different States and within the
for so much like you have

for so much like you have
States that don’t teach

States that don’t teach
evolution. you know know like

evolution. you know know like
it’s it’s it’s so. I I feel

it’s it’s it’s so. I I feel
feel like judge a country by

feel like judge a country by
the the approach that they have

the the approach that they have
to to education and you you

to to education and you you
almost like a trend in

almost like a trend in
conservative countries. they

conservative countries. they
start to like your access to

start to like your access to
higher education, making it

higher education, making it
more expensive or making it

more expensive or making it
difficult to get because if you

difficult to get because if you
start to get higher education,

start to get higher education,
you’ll start to get Inch and

you’ll start to get Inch and
pragmatic thinking and critical

pragmatic thinking and critical
thinking and you’ll start to

thinking and you’ll start to
outside the box and you start

outside the box and you start
to see the big big picture you

to see the big big picture you
start to be more connected to

start to be more connected to
to to the outside world to in

to to the outside world to in
terms of literature terms of

terms of literature terms of
everything you just you just

everything you just you just
have wider a wider

have wider a wider
understanding and I feel like

understanding and I feel like
America has. such a bad

America has. such a bad
educational depending on on the

educational depending on on the
stage and so expensive. To

stage and so expensive. To
become a higher the educators

become a higher the educators
you’ll also have this almost.

you’ll also have this almost.
indoctrination of let’s not

indoctrination of let’s not
talk about what America has

talk about what America has
gone through historically,

gone through historically,
whether it be know how it

whether it be know how it
really developed the country to

really developed the country to
the impact and impact and the

the impact and impact and the
that he had in other countries

that he had in other countries
and and let’s just keep that

and and let’s just keep that
that sort of America is the

that sort of America is the
greatest. The best country in

greatest. The best country in
the world we have freedom

the world we have freedom
freedom of speech We have as if

freedom of speech We have as if
other countries didn’t have

other countries didn’t have
much, have of speech, we have

much, have of speech, we have
freedom to grow. We have free

freedom to grow. We have free
health health care. we have we

health health care. we have we
have free education we have

have free education we have
like so many countries more

like so many countries more
countries have it then don’t.

countries have it then don’t.
but we’re the ones who brag

but we’re the ones who brag
about it. So we’re the ones to

about it. So we’re the ones to
brag about having it But it’s

brag about having it But it’s
because it’s like well The. The

because it’s like well The. The
percentage of people in America

percentage of people in America
actually traveling go to to

actually traveling go to to
other is still not big enough

other is still not big enough
to 30 percent in the United

to 30 percent in the United
States have Yeah. that’s what’s

States have Yeah. that’s what’s
it’s it’s just it’s too small

it’s it’s just it’s too small
and then because you’re

and then because you’re
indoctrinated with everything

indoctrinated with everything
that you see like I feel like

that you see like I feel like
until America breaks that that

until America breaks that that
mental that we are the

mental that we are the
peacekeepers and. World in in

peacekeepers and. World in in
the War, It’s it didn’t say it

the War, It’s it didn’t say it
alone the Russians came came in

alone the Russians came came in
home. Remember that I was

home. Remember that I was
praying for the I understand

praying for the I understand
what what you’re saying Maha I

what what you’re saying Maha I
understand I I agree with you.

understand I I agree with you.
I have great USA friends I love

I have great USA friends I love
them but I don’t necessarily

them but I don’t necessarily
all the parts of the system.

I difference just in the

I difference just in the
airports going US airport is a

airports going US airport is a
nightmare. going to a European

nightmare. going to a European
airport. It’s securely save

airport. It’s securely save
that not such a a nightmare.

that not such a a nightmare.
probably, for I mean I I love

probably, for I mean I I love
my friends in individually, but

my friends in individually, but
the system is not that healthy

the system is not that healthy
and I think they they are being

and I think they they are being
the native I’ve totally legal

the native I’ve totally legal
it with because of the movies

it with because of the movies
and the. Rose and they the best

and the. Rose and they the best
and they they grow they grow up

and they they grow they grow up
with the false idea there are

with the false idea there are
no more no more that can work

no more no more that can work
together more countries that

together more countries that
can work together doing the

can work together doing the
same same things or population

same same things or population
I I read in about Liberty.

I I read in about Liberty.
Liberty I read this of North

Liberty I read this of North
Korean girl she escaped from

Korean girl she escaped from
the system, which is the most

the system, which is the most
oppressive system in the world.

oppressive system in the world.
North Korea He escaped name is

North Korea He escaped name is
Park. lives in Chicago. now

Park. lives in Chicago. now
she’s married married with the

she’s married married with the
citizen and her boggs shocking

citizen and her boggs shocking
I read a lot about North Korea

I read a lot about North Korea
and he say something that

and he say something that
shocked me and she said

shocked me and she said
Liberty. It’s something that

Liberty. It’s something that
need to practice every day. and

need to practice every day. and
and when we live in free or

and when we live in free or
morally free free countries of

morally free free countries of
we believe it’s a free we don’t

we believe it’s a free we don’t
realize what they have to to

realize what they have to to
practice freedom every day to

practice freedom every day to
really choose everything you do

really choose everything you do
every day. and sometimes we

every day. and sometimes we
have it and we did did it for

have it and we did did it for
it We. And if I want to listen

it We. And if I want to listen
to music public transportation

to music public transportation
on on streets, it doesn’t

on on streets, it doesn’t
matter it’s bothering the It’s

matter it’s bothering the It’s
next to me because I’m free.

next to me because I’m free.
and it’s not it’s taking your

and it’s not it’s taking your
own example of my of music and

own example of my of music and
it’s a free country. Of course,

it’s a free country. Of course,
it is, but you can listen to

it is, but you can listen to
music. With your headphones, if

music. With your headphones, if
you are bothering the person

you are bothering the person
sitting next to you and they

sitting next to you and they
are free, you do that in

are free, you do that in
Germany. And I think the common

Germany. And I think the common
thing they have is that they

thing they have is that they
suffer not having having and

suffer not having having and
now they have it and approached

now they have it and approached
it in a different way and. I

it in a different way and. I
don’t think I don’t think it’s

don’t think I don’t think it’s
parents say the word neither

parents say the word neither
Germany say the word nobody

Germany say the word nobody
save the the world and but we

save the the world and but we
free. I don’t know if I’m

free. I don’t know if I’m
making any sense I. I get what

making any sense I. I get what
I think that’s one. Growing up

I think that’s one. Growing up
here you understand that

here you understand that
history is written by the

history is written by the
winners because you have the

winners because you have the
same battles. taught in schools

same battles. taught in schools
completely different and you

completely different and you
have access because you like if

have access because you like if
I when I was a teenager I was

I when I was a teenager I was
going on a night out and I

going on a night out and I
didn’t like you know the or

didn’t like you know the or
whatever I would just get in my

whatever I would just get in my
car and drive in minutes and

car and drive in minutes and
pat’s It’s just it’s just it’s

pat’s It’s just it’s just it’s
what you do, but that’s. have

what you do, but that’s. have
access other people’s accounts

access other people’s accounts
of what they were taught in

of what they were taught in
history, and you realize that

history, and you realize that
history is written by the

history is written by the
winners and it’s manipulated by

winners and it’s manipulated by
winners to create a narrative

winners to create a narrative
and narratives that I we all in

and narratives that I we all in
have is that. there’s that

have is that. there’s that
White supremacy. Or the in in

White supremacy. Or the in in
terms of the Romans and you

terms of the Romans and you
know you have all of of these

know you have all of of these
that feed into the same into

that feed into the same into
the same narratives throughout

the same narratives throughout
throughout the world creates a

throughout the world creates a
virus and when you start

virus and when you start
studying it and when start

studying it and when start
really go deep into it, you

really go deep into it, you
realize no, no. it wasn’t a

realize no, no. it wasn’t a
real that invented all of

real that invented all of
things they stole from every

things they stole from every
single country and every single

single country and every single
culture and presented. And

culture and presented. And
representatives if they were

representatives if they were
the the the wise’s of people

the the the wise’s of people
that created all of these

that created all of these
things and therefore was

things and therefore was
superior and. And I feel like

superior and. And I feel like
somehow that is the same sort

somehow that is the same sort
of.

mindset that was. Has to to to

mindset that was. Has to to to
to merit is that the

to merit is that the
manipulation of world events of

manipulation of world events of
the of how you you tell the

the of how you you tell the
story to to the narratives that

story to to the narratives that
that you know like becomes it

that you know like becomes it
becomes an and it becomes so

becomes an and it becomes so
intertwine with who you think

intertwine with who you think
you you are internationalism

you you are internationalism
and all of that and at some

and all of that and at some
point I feel. I feel like

point I feel. I feel like
countries haven’t gone through

countries haven’t gone through
a dictatorship. don’t really

Understand what freedom freedom

Understand what freedom freedom
is is like we really didn’t how

is is like we really didn’t how
we were we were until we be

we were we were until we be
locked in House and and be

locked in House and and be
afraid to go outside realize I

afraid to go outside realize I
I have freedom to go in the the

I have freedom to go in the the
bus every and to be surrounded

bus every and to be surrounded
with people or go to to learn

with people or go to to learn
and all of of those it really.

and all of of those it really.
it really puts things into

it really puts things into
perspective and I think that

perspective and I think that
with with the America and

with with the America and
several countries. if you have

several countries. if you have
a notion of history, you can’t

a notion of history, you can’t
really move forward and it’s

really move forward and it’s
the same with Australia.

the same with Australia.
Australia is I think it was

Australia is I think it was
yesterday, the Prime Minister

yesterday, the Prime Minister
said that there was no slavery

said that there was no slavery
in this this it it was. yes

in this this it it was. yes
there there’s photographic

there there’s photographic
evidence that it was, but it’s

evidence that it was, but it’s
not taught in and it’s very

not taught in and it’s very
much a whitewash

Education and now there’s more

Education and now there’s more
resources online and like I see

resources online and like I see
the new generations being so to

the new generations being so to
do the work to learn more and

do the work to learn more and
not just be limited to

not just be limited to
environment and you you nature

environment and you you nature
and nurture of the growing up

and nurture of the growing up
they actually go the extra to

they actually go the extra to
become you know woke. And to

become you know woke. And to
understand that there are. that

understand that there are. that
are other countries and there

are other countries and there
are other traditions and there

are other traditions and there
is freedom in other countries

is freedom in other countries
and just because you you will

and just because you you will
listen to army doesn’t mean

listen to army doesn’t mean
that you’re doing good, You’re

that you’re doing good, You’re
doing the bidding of the rich

doing the bidding of the rich
people basically you’re not

people basically you’re not
protecting. It’s not because

protecting. It’s not because
because you’re registered in

because you’re registered in
the the army and go that you’re

the the army and go that you’re
defending freedom you want like

defending freedom you want like
country people are free.

country people are free.
Because of

It’s just it’s frustrating. I’m

It’s just it’s frustrating. I’m
sorry. I know I I I agree with

sorry. I know I I I agree with
you and and I just say I I

you and and I just say I I
don’t want hurt sensitivities

don’t want hurt sensitivities
you know my USA friends. guys

you know my USA friends. guys
like sometimes you know she’s

like sometimes you know she’s
been kind of down I love you

been kind of down I love you
guys. all heart. No. it’s so

guys. all heart. No. it’s so
important. It’s it’s

important. It’s it’s
interesting to hear this

interesting to hear this
perspective to hear you guys

perspective to hear you guys
say mean it’s stuff stuff that

say mean it’s stuff stuff that
like even internally we’re

like even internally we’re
having a process right now and

having a process right now and
and to hear it from from an

and to hear it from from an
perspective but It’s so true

perspective but It’s so true
and I’ve started doing work and

and I’ve started doing work and
actually Sam, you you said.

actually Sam, you you said.
Maybe we could. we can maybe

Maybe we could. we can maybe
make that deal with a

make that deal with a
conversation here on Wednesdays

conversation here on Wednesdays
during my live stream, I do

during my live stream, I do
Constitution Study Group. I

Constitution Study Group. I
Group. I don’t know if you seen

Group. I don’t know if you seen
it yet it can be thoroughly

it yet it can be thoroughly
boring at point cuz cuz I’m

boring at point cuz cuz I’m
literally just reading this old

literally just reading this old
but this was an idea I had for

but this was an idea I had for
a long time ago that I wanted I

a long time ago that I wanted I
wanted to actually make it

wanted to actually make it
available to active duty

available to active duty
military members. exclusively

military members. exclusively
in my tea room like could have

in my tea room like could have
in-person events I wanted to.

in-person events I wanted to.
Have free Constitution Study

Have free Constitution Study
Groups because for the military

Groups because for the military
in particular military

in particular military
politicians, you those are the

politicians, you those are the
the folks that oath when they

the folks that oath when they
when they get into their jobs.

when they get into their jobs.
that they’re only job is to

that they’re only job is to
protect the Constitution yet

protect the Constitution yet
you know like when when

you know like when when
somebody enlisted military.

somebody enlisted military.
That’s that’s the only oath

That’s that’s the only oath
that that they make yet their

that that they make yet their
entire career in the military,

entire career in the military,
Not once do receive a pocket

Not once do receive a pocket
constitution not once do they

constitution not once do they
sit down and read the

sit down and read the
Constitution or even

Constitution or even
understand. Protecting and then

understand. Protecting and then
know pandemic happens, so I

know pandemic happens, so I
kind of back burner that idea

kind of back burner that idea
and then all of a sudden all of

and then all of a sudden all of
my friends on Facebook started

my friends on Facebook started
to become like Constitution

to become like Constitution
Warriors like I I don’t have

Warriors like I I don’t have
wear a mask. I have a

wear a mask. I have a
constitutional right to do what

constitutional right to do what
I want want and so decided I’ve

I want want and so decided I’ve
got to get this going cuz the

got to get this going cuz the
people all of a sudden like

people all of a sudden like
everybody’s becoming

everybody’s becoming
Constitutional warrior and I’m

Constitutional warrior and I’m
like okay, well, let’s start

like okay, well, let’s start
doing it and in the process of

doing it and in the process of
of of doing this study, you

of of doing this study, you
know it’s it’s written. Like as

know it’s it’s written. Like as
Citizenss, Yes, we have rights,

Citizenss, Yes, we have rights,
we have certain rights actually

we have certain rights actually
the only two rights that we

the only two rights that we
really have is like our our

really have is like our our
right to to vote then our right

right to to vote then our right
to you you know you know our of

to you you know you know our of
speech to communicate to our

speech to communicate to our
representatives to to to make

representatives to to to make
the decisions for us that we

the decisions for us that we
made it’s actually you know

made it’s actually you know
like the executive and and and

like the executive and and and
and and the politicians that

and and the politicians that
have a a lot more power state.

have a a lot more power state.
actually the States. you know

actually the States. you know
that we live in. A lot of so if

that we live in. A lot of so if
they make an order that’s in

they make an order that’s in
relation to public safety, just

relation to public safety, just
like you’re saying your music

like you’re saying your music
if music is annoying, someone

if music is annoying, someone
else you then then your rights

else you then then your rights
kind conditional at that point

kind conditional at that point
and to say that like we’re

and to say that like we’re
gonna be in this tyrant state

gonna be in this tyrant state
where your rights are thrown

where your rights are thrown
out the window window and ???

out the window window and ???
it all it just means in this

it all it just means in this
particular case when it

particular case when it
involves someone else’s public

involves someone else’s public
health or someone else’s well

health or someone else’s well
being being the the the state

being being the the the state
can step in or the the the

can step in or the the the
executive. You know our fine

executive. You know our fine
can step in and make you know

can step in and make you know
make an executive decision

make an executive decision
executive order of order of how

executive order of order of how
we behave to be respectful to

we behave to be respectful to
each other’s public safety, but

each other’s public safety, but
it just like. persists to be

it just like. persists to be
major issue of my conversations

major issue of my conversations
Yesterday, I had like a very

Yesterday, I had like a very
heated conversation with with a

heated conversation with with a
friend you a yoga instructor

friend you a yoga instructor
and his yoga practice and not

and his yoga practice and not
even just his own practice, but

even just his own practice, but
like his yoga. Practice is

like his yoga. Practice is
really valuable to him and he

really valuable to him and he
he believes deep in heart and

he believes deep in heart and
there’s no breaking he believes

there’s no breaking he believes
that his. method of healing his

that his. method of healing his
yoga practice and teaching

yoga practice and teaching
practice, so he’s actually been

practice, so he’s actually been
hosting. you know pretty

hosting. you know pretty
significant groups people in

significant groups people in
his home for the yoga classes

his home for the yoga classes
throughout the entire and and I

throughout the entire and and I
came to find that some close

came to find that some close
friends of mine, We were

friends of mine, We were
attending those classes and so

attending those classes and so
as a. You know like I made

as a. You know like I made
decision it would be

decision it would be
responsible for me not to

responsible for me not to
interact with with those

interact with with those
friends of all the actors you

friends of all the actors you
know like I’m trying to be

know like I’m trying to be
mindful of public health. you

mindful of public health. you
know, I’m not saying I’m scared

know, I’m not saying I’m scared
of but like that’s just the

of but like that’s just the
thing that I can do to you know

thing that I can do to you know
play my part. and so told him

play my part. and so told him
about that and I wasn’t you

about that and I wasn’t you
know trying to you know, guilt

know trying to you know, guilt
trip him that he shouldn’t do

trip him that he shouldn’t do
it cuz he he does have the

it cuz he he does have the
right but in this particular

right but in this particular
case, I think it’s really

case, I think it’s really
important. You know we’d be

important. You know we’d be
mindful of how you know our

mindful of how you know our
decisions and on our our rights

decisions and on our our rights
and our affect others. So I

and our affect others. So I
mean, I guess the time to go

mean, I guess the time to go
Yeah. I mean the other the

Yeah. I mean the other the
other thing about add to that

other thing about add to that
not entirely conscious on our

not entirely conscious on our
part, my fiance and I’ve been

part, my fiance and I’ve been
overly diligent I don’t think

overly diligent I don’t think
either of us aside from grocery

either of us aside from grocery
store and Oops, there’s another

store and Oops, there’s another
person in a have been within

person in a have been within
six feet of anyone in. 93 days

six feet of anyone in. 93 days
and and so you great cuz we

and and so you great cuz we
feel great, not spreading Kobi

feel great, not spreading Kobi
to to someone who not have the

to to someone who not have the
immune system to handle it, but

immune system to handle it, but
the other thing that we realize

the other thing that we realize
is that. We’re the only people

is that. We’re the only people
who can show up for those who

who can show up for those who
immuno on Saturday we’re going

immuno on Saturday we’re going
to provide technical support

to provide technical support
and. spiritual support for our

and. spiritual support for our
83 year friend. friend who is

83 year friend. friend who is
we’ve talked to him? We talked

we’ve talked to him? We talked
to her often through and she’s.

to her often through and she’s.
clearly needing some human

clearly needing some human
interaction and we we have

interaction and we we have
another friend who’s also amun

another friend who’s also amun
compromised and in a very

compromised and in a very
similar energetic state. So by

similar energetic state. So by
being extra diligent, you know

being extra diligent, you know
we can make space people

we can make space people
without risking their lives and

without risking their lives and
yeah I. The modalities of

yeah I. The modalities of
communication over the last

communication over the last
decade or coming to ahead the

decade or coming to ahead the
the self-centeredness that

the self-centeredness that
these platforms have created

these platforms have created
over a process of 10 years of

over a process of 10 years of
it was that someone said that

it was that someone said that
the problem with human centered

the problem with human centered
development is that humans of

development is that humans of
the flaw yeah yeah. So now

the flaw yeah yeah. So now
we’re here. We We know and we

we’re here. We We know and we
can build something else.

My understanding of is.

you freedom is conditional. and

you freedom is conditional. and
it’s to the the to the higher

it’s to the the to the higher
being of the whole population

being of the whole population
because you don’t on the you

because you don’t on the you
live in a society. It’s the

live in a society. It’s the
same principle as vaccines It’s

same principle as vaccines It’s
just. Even even if there is a

Side shades to to percentage of

Side shades to to percentage of
the population. the majority.

the population. the majority.
is the point that that hurt is

is the point that that hurt is
the and if I if if I had that

the and if I if if I had that
you you develop artist. artist,

you you develop artist. artist,
Of course, like to find the

Of course, like to find the
cause for it and help in any

cause for it and help in any
any way that but I would I I

any way that but I would I I
it’s it’s. It’s worth taking

it’s it’s. It’s worth taking
for the. well being of the

for the. well being of the
community and I think that’s in

community and I think that’s in
the case of alisa’s fring. We

the case of alisa’s fring. We
have a in for all that I I find

have a in for all that I I find
to ring really true and hell is

to ring really true and hell is
full of people with good

full of people with good
intentions.

and although I believe the

and although I believe the
effect, it’s something that has

effect, it’s something that has
been proven your brain and heal

been proven your brain and heal
lots.

conditions and situations and

conditions and situations and
that might be good for your

that might be good for your
mental well-being during those

mental well-being during those
yoga classes which in reality.

yoga classes which in reality.
you can be doing a lot more

you can be doing a lot more
than good and I think it’s very

than good and I think it’s very
self self indulgence to because

self self indulgence to because
you’re feeling better yourself

you’re feeling better yourself
and your surrounded with people

and your surrounded with people
that think the same way that

that think the same way that
somehow you’re not adding to

somehow you’re not adding to
problem. I should should I

problem. I should should I
should also include that the

should also include that the
the yoga classes, which I got

the yoga classes, which I got
invited to one on a public, you

invited to one on a public, you
know Facebook invite is a hug

know Facebook invite is a hug
healing. so it’s like a hug

healing. so it’s like a hug
yoga class, not just not just

yoga class, not just not just
yoga. I feel like like that’s

yoga. I feel like like that’s
that’s almost troll like like

that’s almost troll like like
they do they provide healing

they do they provide healing
prior to come come in. Yeah a

prior to come come in. Yeah a
big thing they they do and it’s

big thing they they do and it’s
it’s great. You know I’ve gone

it’s great. You know I’ve gone
to gone to some of their

to gone to some of their
classes and I’m fan of hugs

classes and I’m fan of hugs
too, and I’m missing them as

too, and I’m missing them as
right now, but like it’s one of

right now, but like it’s one of
those things. Like you know

those things. Like you know
know like I’m trying to find

know like I’m trying to find
and healing and other like

and healing and other like
this, you know this is kind of

this, you know this is kind of
like my little virtual hug from

like my little virtual hug from
you guys. but yeah, so they

you guys. but yeah, so they
they used to like hang out in

they used to like hang out in
front of the Bellagio fountains

front of the Bellagio fountains
and just like strangers our

and just like strangers our
powerful you know like I can

powerful you know like I can
imagine them trying to do it

imagine them trying to do it
now cuz Vegas is is open and

now cuz Vegas is is open and
people walking around. I can

people walking around. I can
just imagine them and. you know

just imagine them and. you know
like I like my my bio. I like

like I like my my bio. I like
that how how you have brand

that how how you have brand
that I could say I’ve been

that I could say I’ve been
thinking about like my inner

thinking about like my inner
circle as I’ve been calling it,

circle as I’ve been calling it,
but I guess my bio. You gotta

but I guess my bio. You gotta
watch you gotta watch the

watch you gotta watch the
video. video. It’s okay. I’ll

video. video. It’s okay. I’ll
stick your head for a week. You

stick your head for a week. You
know about a month ago, I

know about a month ago, I
started to put my my my bio

started to put my my my bio
together and it was like you

together and it was like you
know three very very important

know three very very important
friends I said. Three was good,

friends I said. Three was good,
You know and then my my two

You know and then my my two
parents top of that. so it’s

parents top of that. so it’s
like five people in circles and

like five people in circles and
I was myself to hug them and to

I was myself to hug them and to
enjoy those experiences cuz

enjoy those experiences cuz
it’s still keeping the number

it’s still keeping the number
of down but then to find out

of down but then to find out
that like they’ve been going to

that like they’ve been going to
these classes and hugging is

these classes and hugging is
like highly encouraged

like highly encouraged
encouraged and there’s you know

encouraged and there’s you know
at least a dozen. Each one of

at least a dozen. Each one of
these events, like, Oh yeah, I

these events, like, Oh yeah, I
know we have a similar instance

know we have a similar instance
where the that we really wanted

where the that we really wanted
to like be buddies with or by

to like be buddies with or by
buddies with another couple and

buddies with another couple and
and another person and one

and another person and one
other person who I guess hang

other person who I guess hang
out and he was like he

out and he was like he
mentioned in the several hours

mentioned in the several hours
that they they were in the same

that they they were in the same
space together. all kind of a

space together. all kind of a
very good friends and I was

very good friends and I was
like I went on a date. Haircut

like I went on a date. Haircut
like when I’m I’m in the store

like when I’m I’m in the store
yada yada like all of those

yada yada like all of those
things kind of slipped out in

things kind of slipped out in
and I was like. love you

and I was like. love you
everybody else love that person

everybody else love that person
too. until they and and then we

too. until they and and then we
basically started crafting by

basically started crafting by
but it’s like how can we in non

but it’s like how can we in non
direct way to way to be like?

direct way to way to be like?
Hey man like that’s not okay

Hey man like that’s not okay
with us and without calling

with us and without calling
around and and saying like

around and and saying like
that’s not you know do that.

that’s not you know do that.
That’s usually people don’t

That’s usually people don’t
listen to it and the way that.

listen to it and the way that.
Kind of got to is this notion

Kind of got to is this notion
of the trolley problem asking

of the trolley problem asking
questions about your heart and

questions about your heart and
if you know, how would you feel

if you know, how would you feel
if someone you died? How would

if someone you died? How would
you feel if you found out that

you feel if you found out that
you could have been you could

you could have been you could
have been the person that that

have been the person that that
prompted it and based on how

prompted it and based on how
they answer that question, it’s

they answer that question, it’s
very and how much they are

very and how much they are
willing to go through

willing to go through
discomfort protect that they

discomfort protect that they
may never be able to understand

may never be able to understand
that that they’re you. I think

that that they’re you. I think
that now more than ever is.

that now more than ever is.
Important to have this

Important to have this
conversations. it’s not just

conversations. it’s not just
about health. It’s not just

about health. It’s not just
about race relationships. it’s

about race relationships. it’s
it’s a little bit about

it’s a little bit about
everything really. really.

everything really. really.
yeah. I think collective. I

yeah. I think collective. I
think it’s important to I think

think it’s important to I think
it’s important to

try try to the or I don’t know

try try to the or I don’t know
how to put it clear because I’m

how to put it clear because I’m
a lanny. Kenyan ta kwan so I

a lanny. Kenyan ta kwan so I
can be really harsh with with

can be really harsh with with
the exact exact word, but the

the exact exact word, but the
meaning of freedom or the the

meaning of freedom or the the
meaning of Liberty. It’s

meaning of Liberty. It’s
different for everybody and I

different for everybody and I
think we need to work on

think we need to work on
because this it happened in my

because this it happened in my
in my this there was this

in my this there was this
competition he was in the unit

competition he was in the unit
in a. And he decided to run out

in a. And he decided to run out
the hospital because the only

the hospital because the only
thing you got is doing was

thing you got is doing was
putting in oxygen on him and

putting in oxygen on him and
feed feed him and this is

feed feed him and this is
something he he can do at He

something he he can do at He
didn’t even understand what was

didn’t even understand what was
on him his cave The Kobi so, of

on him his cave The Kobi so, of
course he he was free because

course he he was free because
he has freedom. of living

he has freedom. of living
living hospital and spread.

I it will be healthier and we

I it will be healthier and we
think that Liberty goes with

think that Liberty goes with
with with well being of people

with with well being of people
around us. it hurt people

around us. it hurt people
around us. It’s liberty

around us. It’s liberty
probably is a view. and it’s a

probably is a view. and it’s a
concept of freedom and

concept of freedom and
collective right personal

collective right personal
freedom you I believe. In in a

freedom you I believe. In in a
democracy, you should free to

democracy, you should free to
pursue happiness. you should be

pursue happiness. you should be
free to pursue education you

free to pursue education you
should be free to to help

Mental and physical resources

Mental and physical resources
to keep your health I I I

to keep your health I I I
believe that in a in a free

believe that in a in a free
you’re also entitled to the

you’re also entitled to the
sides when want to die and how

sides when want to die and how
you want die, especially if you

you want die, especially if you
if you suffer from terminal

if you suffer from terminal
disease, I think that that

disease, I think that that
that’s part of freedom that you

that’s part of freedom that you
have as a human being, but but

have as a human being, but but
then you get the freedoms and

then you get the freedoms and
if you’re freedom. Is

if you’re freedom. Is
encouraging you to and putting

encouraging you to and putting
someone in that freedom is.

someone in that freedom is.
selfish and it’s self-indulgent

selfish and it’s self-indulgent
and it’’s assuming that your

and it’’s assuming that your
freedom of living is higher in

freedom of living is higher in
more worthy than other people’s

more worthy than other people’s
freedom to stay stay healthy be

freedom to stay stay healthy be
in an environment. that’s

in an environment. that’s
that’s is good for for everyone

that’s is good for for everyone
and you see people that have

and you see people that have
autoimmune diseases or the the

autoimmune diseases or the the
autoimmune system and it’s been

autoimmune system and it’s been
compromised. When like cancer

compromised. When like cancer
or whatever and they are not in

or whatever and they are not in
control because. you you think

control because. you you think
that you have the freedom to do

that you have the freedom to do
whatever whatever you want and

whatever whatever you want and
I it’s it’s like the

I it’s it’s like the
individualistic mindset. has is

individualistic mindset. has is
It’s really and it’s not in in

It’s really and it’s not in in
America some I was really. with

America some I was really. with
what happened in in Sweden

what happened in in Sweden
because is so often and as an

because is so often and as an
example. population and the

example. population and the
that always listen to the

that always listen to the
experts and you you have that

experts and you you have that
educational system and being a

educational system and being a
socialist country like it’s

socialist country like it’s
just it’s just so forward

just it’s just so forward
thinking and so many things

thinking and so many things
things and then he to cover it

things and then he to cover it
and they were like let’s not

and they were like let’s not
listen to the experts because

listen to the experts because
this is disease that affects

this is disease that affects
the of all the people and the

the of all the people and the
young people don’t want to give

young people don’t want to give
up their freedoms. They still

up their freedoms. They still
want to go to restaurants and

want to go to restaurants and
clubs and all of that and you

clubs and all of that and you
see the percuss now. And it’s

see the percuss now. And it’s
it’s it’s yeah. it’s it’s when

it’s it’s yeah. it’s it’s when
your personal freedom is more

your personal freedom is more
important than you as a

important than you as a
collective and you’re so

collective and you’re so
individualistic that you’re

individualistic that you’re
you’re not even considering the

you’re not even considering the
repercussions that might have

repercussions that might have
to your friends to the or to

to your friends to the or to
your own family. It’s

your own family. It’s
especially with something

especially with something
that’s like it can be a where

that’s like it can be a where
you don’t even know that you

you don’t even know that you
have it you might be the reason

have it you might be the reason
someone who isn’t bad or a

someone who isn’t bad or a
grandfather or or or it’s just

grandfather or or or it’s just
it’s so unreason. To me, that’s

it’s so unreason. To me, that’s
people can’t see past that

people can’t see past that
wants. it’s yeah, it’s it’s

wants. it’s yeah, it’s it’s
something that’s very serious.

something that’s very serious.
You know it feels like it’s

You know it feels like it’s
very much a disconnection from

very much a disconnection from
the belief of what the self

the belief of what the self
self you you. I mean you figure

self you you. I mean you figure
10 years of looking at this

10 years of looking at this
thing like you start to I mean,

thing like you start to I mean,
see reality and and you know.

see reality and and you know.
More than just people, it’s

More than just people, it’s
more just It’s just

more just It’s just
communities. It’s the world and

communities. It’s the world and
the self at large. I mean like

the self at large. I mean like
challenging to you know

challenging to you know
environmental reform has just

environmental reform has just
because someone has a interest

because someone has a interest
and and it’s not the true self

and and it’s not the true self
being real self in any sense

being real self in any sense
sense of measurement but an

sense of measurement but an
encapsulated itself which not

encapsulated itself which not
wearing my skinny caps can go

wearing my skinny caps can go
through but yeah, and I think

through but yeah, and I think
that that’s that’s what. See I

that that’s that’s what. See I
guess that’s the the light that

guess that’s the the light that
I choose to see is that because

I choose to see is that because
of Kobi this we we have very

of Kobi this we we have very
abrupt mirror being held in

abrupt mirror being held in
front of us that this type of

front of us that this type of
change and reform reflection

change and reform reflection
and shadow work, and however

and shadow work, and however
you choose to see it would not

you choose to see it would not
have happened without this

have happened without this
catalyst pandemic and you know

catalyst pandemic and you know
because of the catalyst of

because of the catalyst of
pandemic came back back into

pandemic came back back into
a-frame of conversation and a

a-frame of conversation and a
potent And never-never, and I

potent And never-never, and I
was just looking. Of A hundred

was just looking. Of A hundred
different statements that

different statements that
brands about black lives matter

brands about black lives matter
and not all of them are very

and not all of them are very
meaningful. a lot of them with

meaningful. a lot of them with
it a sense of presence rather

it a sense of presence rather
than a sense of correcting and

than a sense of correcting and
then that Native Americans are

then that Native Americans are
piping up being like so you

piping up being like so you
before slavery, there’s this

before slavery, there’s this
other thing of of like

other thing of of like
appropriation lands. So can can

appropriation lands. So can can
we talk about too? and it’s

we talk about too? and it’s
just like it’s the shadow work

just like it’s the shadow work
of. She is in many ways so so

of. She is in many ways so so
without that wouldn’t have now

without that wouldn’t have now
it’s it’s just catalyst Co dot

it’s it’s just catalyst Co dot
com that one is not as cool.

com that one is not as cool.
here I just wanted to to say

here I just wanted to to say
relation to brands the brands

relation to brands the brands
that have jumped on the hashtag

that have jumped on the hashtag
hashtag Yorkshire Tea and PG

hashtag Yorkshire Tea and PG
have both jumped on it on

have both jumped on it on
Twitter in a very big way.

Twitter in a very big way.
we’re actually.

I’m glad you hasn’t jumped the

I’m glad you hasn’t jumped the
Black Lives matter you know I

Black Lives matter you know I
support them so basically it

support them so basically it
was like a very racist

was like a very racist
statement and then Yorkshire

statement and then Yorkshire
tweeted back and said, Do not

tweeted back and said, Do not
buy our tea again. We haven’t

buy our tea again. We haven’t
said anything because we are

said anything because we are
educating ourselves and trying

educating ourselves and trying
to come up with with our

to come up with with our
response to this hashtag Black

response to this hashtag Black
lives matter and it’s okay,

lives matter and it’s okay,
you’re educating yourself. Are

you’re educating yourself. Are
you educating with the black

you educating with the black
lives and your supply cuz you

lives and your supply cuz you
know like this. Conversation

know like this. Conversation
extends far beyond just

extends far beyond just
America. I mean we’re such a a

America. I mean we’re such a a
globalized society now like

globalized society now like
this something yeah. It’s just

this something yeah. It’s just
it’s so like inauthentic and

it’s so like inauthentic and
just really. good anyway.

You see the the the you know

You see the the the you know
the climate where so many

the climate where so many
brands instead of changing

brands instead of changing
practices, they just did a

practices, they just did a
Green wash that that that

Green wash that that that
brands and put some Green

brands and put some Green
colors in their logo and and

colors in their logo and and
and even even I mean eggs what

and even even I mean eggs what
the hell for the fresh farm or

the hell for the fresh farm or
a farm fresh. come on. It’s

a farm fresh. come on. It’s
just. it. It’s it’s it’s a way

just. it. It’s it’s it’s a way
to manipulate the understanding

to manipulate the understanding
and to do do the least amount

and to do do the least amount
the least least amount of of

the least least amount of of
work to to fit the movements

work to to fit the movements
that that is trending and that

that that is trending and that
is kind. I I I appreciate now

is kind. I I I appreciate now
more more than more than ever.

more more than more than ever.
this whole situation that has.

this whole situation that has.
spread throughout the world and

spread throughout the world and
has started a conversations and

has started a conversations and
has started you know really

has started you know really
uncomfortable in in everyone’s

uncomfortable in in everyone’s
houses and and everyone’s

houses and and everyone’s
relationships and and

relationships and and
friendships people I’ve finally

friendships people I’ve finally
and I think good to go. I

and I think good to go. I
really do think that if White

really do think that if White
want at home, they would not.

want at home, they would not.
The because this is not new

The because this is not new
people are just like Oh we’re

people are just like Oh we’re
being bombarded with it. This

being bombarded with it. This
is what is happening and now

is what is happening and now
see it differently because if

see it differently because if
they had to go to work. most of

they had to go to work. most of
them would continue to use the

them would continue to use the
excuse of it’s not about me.

excuse of it’s not about me.
It’s not it’s not not racist so

It’s not it’s not not racist so
I’m not problem. I don’t see

I’m not problem. I don’t see
color. It’s just it’s just so

color. It’s just it’s just so
so.

It’s it’s it’s a felt like it’s

It’s it’s it’s a felt like it’s
the brush to brush that I still

the brush to brush that I still
I feel like it’s it’s the word

I feel like it’s it’s the word
privilege as well, You know

privilege as well, You know
people think that being racist

people think that being racist
is a choice based on hate when

is a choice based on hate when
it’s it’s a system is is

it’s it’s a system is is
something that you are or into.

something that you are or into.
it’s it’s an educational

it’s it’s an educational
system. It’s in everything that

system. It’s in everything that
you see or this this idea.

you see or this this idea.
that’s that’s.

Imagine if you’re watching in

Imagine if you’re watching in
if you are employing someone

if you are employing someone
says you have White privilege

says you have White privilege
immediately, their like you

immediately, their like you
don’t know what I’ve been

don’t know what I’ve been
through in life. you don’t like

through in life. you don’t like
I I never had because I was

I I never had because I was
four. I didn’t have education.

four. I didn’t have education.
I didn’t have that and then you

I didn’t have that and then you
have to stop and be like. yeah,

have to stop and be like. yeah,
which when you’re stuck at the

which when you’re stuck at the
you don’t automatically. feel

you don’t automatically. feel
threatened for your life.

threatened for your life.
Trying to explain real

Trying to explain real
privilege. to to to has men and

privilege. to to to has men and
women have such a different in

women have such a different in
life, Black and White has such

life, Black and White has such
a different in life this almost

a different in life this almost
a blockage that people build

a blockage that people build
like kinda know what’s

like kinda know what’s
happening on the the other

happening on the the other
side, but it hasn’t happened to

side, but it hasn’t happened to
them. it’s it’s not valid or

them. it’s it’s not valid or
you’re over exaggerating or you

you’re over exaggerating or you
know you’re just hormonal. You

know you’re just hormonal. You
everything is about race,

everything is about race,
whatever excuse that them and

whatever excuse that them and
the That’s that’s you know it’s

the That’s that’s you know it’s
been confirmed throughout

been confirmed throughout
throughout lives. It’s just

throughout lives. It’s just
it’s just becomes almost like a

it’s just becomes almost like a
personal So I’m glad that at

personal So I’m glad that at
least now people are doing the

least now people are doing the
and they’re they’re realizing

and they’re they’re realizing
there are things that are even

there are things that are even
though they haven’t experienced

though they haven’t experienced
for themselves. They can still.

for themselves. They can still.
be part of and cautiously of

be part of and cautiously of
the system that is you know

the system that is you know
harming someone So I’m I’m glad

harming someone So I’m I’m glad
that this is finally happening

that this is finally happening
not just in America, but it’s

not just in America, but it’s
happening in Australia. it’s

happening in Australia. it’s
happening in Europe, You know

happening in Europe, You know
people are are really back at

people are are really back at
history and understanding how

history and understanding how
was created by women for whom

was created by women for whom
and realizing that this is a

and realizing that this is a
problem around the world. Not

problem around the world. Not
an American problem, It’s in

an American problem, It’s in
Australian problem. It’s it’s

Australian problem. It’s it’s
something something as a

something something as a
collective. it has been created

collective. it has been created
It has perpetuated although a

It has perpetuated although a
lot better than than it in our

lot better than than it in our
in the sixties. it’s still it’s

in the sixties. it’s still it’s
still not good enough.

I’d like to invite Jeremy into

I’d like to invite Jeremy into
into conversation and I think

into conversation and I think
there’s a few times that you’ve

there’s a few times that you’ve
tried to speak up and just kind

tried to speak up and just kind
of got past the pass through.

of got past the pass through.
Yeah. I appreciate I appreciate

Yeah. I appreciate I appreciate
your patience but I wanted to.

Because I think sometimes. was’

Because I think sometimes. was’
not understood, I’m not

not understood, I’m not
americans’ how large country is

americans’ how large country is
how diverse the country and how

how diverse the country and how
powerful each individual state

powerful each individual state
and everybody sort of has like

and everybody sort of has like
a different. I guess everyone

a different. I guess everyone
has a a different objective and

has a a different objective and
one ’ll argument is in. it’s

one ’ll argument is in. it’s
like when you’re talking about

like when you’re talking about
It’s all about the of what want

It’s all about the of what want
the student to become. and the

the student to become. and the
problem in Indiana is that

problem in Indiana is that
still educating farmers. that

still educating farmers. that
was the entire educational

was the entire educational
system was based around. You’re

system was based around. You’re
gonna go work on the farm so

gonna go work on the farm so
it’s very easy, very

it’s very easy, very
generalized and it hasn’t

generalized and it hasn’t
adapted scents but like when I

adapted scents but like when I
went to school in California,

went to school in California,
the immediate assumption was

the immediate assumption was
everybody that enters high

everybody that enters high
school is going to College. so

school is going to College. so
the entire. System was built

the entire. System was built
around. We’re going to get you

around. We’re going to get you
into the College. so it’s

into the College. so it’s
interesting so you have and it

interesting so you have and it
is you’re a product of the

is you’re a product of the
educational system and you came

educational system and you came
out of some States or you’re

out of some States or you’re
trying to farmer. You have a

trying to farmer. You have a
very limited point of view and

very limited point of view and
then another state is to really

then another state is to really
prioritize higher education as

prioritize higher education as
a whole different experience. I

a whole different experience. I
mean it’s just it’s so diverse

mean it’s just it’s so diverse
and the stakes are so.

and the stakes are so.
powerful. and and even when you

powerful. and and even when you
to like County by County, it’s

to like County by County, it’s
it’s like it’s really hard to

it’s like it’s really hard to
have a good conversation with

have a good conversation with
people from Vigo County.

people from Vigo County.
because. You all be horrified

because. You all be horrified
about what people are doing

about what people are doing
doing here, walking around most

doing here, walking around most
of them without and it was

of them without and it was
actually worse before the

actually worse before the
governor put before the

governor put before the
governor. it’s like, for

governor. it’s like, for
example, one of the largest

example, one of the largest
stores of Vigo Menards. It’s

stores of Vigo Menards. It’s
massive massive hardware so all

massive massive hardware so all
the way up until the governor

the way up until the governor
relaxed restrictions There was

relaxed restrictions There was
absolutely no limit No mask.

requirement and then just

requirement and then just
ironically out of nowhere, you

ironically out of nowhere, you
can’t can’t enter the without a

can’t can’t enter the without a
mask and there’s a capacity

mask and there’s a capacity
limit. but there’s only been

limit. but there’s only been
eight deaths in this County. I

eight deaths in this County. I
think only about 200 positive

think only about 200 positive
there’s six percent

tests so when people walk

tests so when people walk
around here they don’t They

around here they don’t They
care less before been spreading

care less before been spreading
in this County like like how do

in this County like like how do
you have conversation with you

you have conversation with you
know with us? Where other

know with us? Where other
people said, said, Oh, it’s

people said, said, Oh, it’s
like crazy where I am. it’s

like crazy where I am. it’s
just just we’re all looking at

just just we’re all looking at
the world from this perspective

the world from this perspective
like we’re just gonna do

like we’re just gonna do
whatever we want and it hasn’t

whatever we want and it hasn’t
spread so. we that’s not our

spread so. we that’s not our
behavior, but the problem is

behavior, but the problem is
you take that behavior to other

you take that behavior to other
cities. Yeah. So like when you

cities. Yeah. So like when you
go to the also amplify that

go to the also amplify that
message over social media

message over social media
without without the of this is

without without the of this is
a small town where everybody

a small town where everybody
lives fairly isolated. Yeah,

lives fairly isolated. Yeah,
we’re we’re a drive. Town You

we’re we’re a drive. Town You
it’s like you know, you know

it’s like you know, you know
you only drive through going

you only drive through going
from Indianapolis to Saint

from Indianapolis to Saint
Louis otherwise. you really

Louis otherwise. you really
really wouldn’t stop so it’s a

really wouldn’t stop so it’s a
large enough city. It’s like

large enough city. It’s like
50000 We have no we have no

50000 We have no we have no
public public transport. I

public public transport. I
think that’s that was a big

think that’s that was a big
deal. I didn’t spread quickly

deal. I didn’t spread quickly
here but the problem is when

here but the problem is when
you go to Indianapolis or

you go to Indianapolis or
Chicago or Saint Louis or

Chicago or Saint Louis or
wherever else you’re taking

wherever else you’re taking
that entire mentality like

that entire mentality like
you’re. No mask brushing up

you’re. No mask brushing up
against everybody. I think are

against everybody. I think are
a few of us of the problem is

a few of us of the problem is
if you’re the example for other

if you’re the example for other
people to see that’s the big

people to see that’s the big
problem.

Nobody likes to but that’s a it

Nobody likes to but that’s a it
it takes a lot to be. That

it takes a lot to be. That
example, sometimes yeah.

Events. it’’s I can compare.

Events. it’’s I can compare.
cuz I’m away from my family

cuz I’m away from my family
living in Australia and the the

living in Australia and the the
whole and the way that the

whole and the way that the
country was affected and

country was affected and
Portugal they they are like.

Portugal they they are like.
black and White, you know and

black and White, you know and
it’s so opposite. in the

it’s so opposite. in the
strength that they I’m really

strength that they I’m really
have measures put in and light,

have measures put in and light,
but because. It only has

but because. It only has
25 million people, which is the

25 million people, which is the
same populations Spain, but

same populations Spain, but
it’s as big as a.m. It’s

it’s as big as a.m. It’s
freaking continent people are

freaking continent people are
spread out and there’s lots of

spread out and there’s lots of
places in Australia that not

places in Australia that not
livable in the the desert or

livable in the the desert or
and so those. have measures

and so those. have measures
actually worked and you know

actually worked and you know
we’re we’re moving to a path

we’re we’re moving to a path
where everything is opening now

where everything is opening now
into the. That affected, I

into the. That affected, I
think was zero point 25 percent

think was zero point 25 percent
and you can you can trace it

and you can you can trace it
back most of of the cases that

back most of of the cases that
had to an incidents that occur

had to an incidents that occur
with one of the cruise ships

with one of the cruise ships
that arrived at the port and

that arrived at the port and
they were allowed to come out.

they were allowed to come out.
and. leave and socialize and go

and. leave and socialize and go
to other States

so the mentality here. it’s

so the mentality here. it’s
very much. It’s something it’s

very much. It’s something it’s
something that is dangerous.

something that is dangerous.
Yes, it has it has been so much

Yes, it has it has been so much
worse overseas, but also the

worse overseas, but also the
fact that it is not shown on TV

fact that it is not shown on TV
TV. you have politicians

TV. you have politicians
stalking instead doctors you

stalking instead doctors you
don’t like here. People don’t

don’t like here. People don’t
show footage

of what it looks like and

of what it looks like and
ramifications that that has not

ramifications that that has not
just in your in your

just in your in your
respiratory at. An assistant

respiratory at. An assistant
the consequences that it can

the consequences that it can
have and how people die from

have and how people die from
from from

different problems not just

different problems not just
being the the respiratory

being the the respiratory
consequences being like a heart

consequences being like a heart
attacks and things like that.

attacks and things like that.
So I feel like that also also

So I feel like that also also
has an impact because when it

has an impact because when it
first appeared in when coach

first appeared in when coach
will. To to to address my mom,

will. To to to address my mom,
for example, she still has that

for example, she still has that
idea just like the flu. and for

idea just like the flu. and for
me knowing that my step dad my

me knowing that my step dad my
grandfather have problems. and

grandfather have problems. and
in terms of the immune system I

in terms of the immune system I
was trying to explain to her.

was trying to explain to her.
This is something that do not

This is something that do not
have immunity that has never

have immunity that has never
been experienced in in the

been experienced in in the
history. Humankind that’s can

history. Humankind that’s can
have really serious

have really serious
repercussions until the vaccine

repercussions until the vaccine
is developed, You can have you

is developed, You can have you
know so many mutations and

know so many mutations and
rereading so so it was only

rereading so so it was only
after Italy got bad and footage

after Italy got bad and footage
shiny that people really

shiny that people really
understood what was going on

understood what was going on
and really took it seriously

and really took it seriously
and bunker down and did

and bunker down and did
everything the correct way or

everything the correct way or
most of the most and there’s

most of the most and there’s
always there’s always you know

always there’s always you know
people that refused to. To

people that refused to. To
science or or think that

science or or think that
something can happen to them,

something can happen to them,
But yet yet it’s it’s I can’t

But yet yet it’s it’s I can’t
understand that you’re living

understand that you’re living
in a in a County or in the

in a in a County or in the
state. That’s it hasn’t been a

state. That’s it hasn’t been a
a bigger problem, a bigger

a bigger problem, a bigger
issues they don’t know

issues they don’t know
someone’s that has been through

someone’s that has been through
it or have lost someone or has

it or have lost someone or has
got it. It’s it’s so much

got it. It’s it’s so much
harder to make them understand

harder to make them understand
how. important. Susan How much

how. important. Susan How much
of an impact is having? it’s

of an impact is having? it’s
hard hard even how you know

hard hard even how you know
like the Christians are lifting

like the Christians are lifting
and I feel like people are

and I feel like people are
becoming very blessed say about

becoming very blessed say about
the the the whole thing. which

the the the whole thing. which
think it’s kind of fun because

think it’s kind of fun because
the position that we are in

the position that we are in
terms of the amount of new

terms of the amount of new
cases we’ve haven’t had more

cases we’ve haven’t had more
five for a couple of days. It’s

five for a couple of days. It’s
so scary, it’s still I think

so scary, it’s still I think
that you should be doing in the

that you should be doing in the
protections until everyone free

protections until everyone free
because if there’s one country

because if there’s one country
that is not that in the whole

that is not that in the whole
thing again. mm hmm. like I

thing again. mm hmm. like I
didn’t really understand what

didn’t really understand what
was happening. until I heard

was happening. until I heard
from my brother in law. it was

from my brother in law. it was
a nurse, nurse nurses in

a nurse, nurse nurses in
Washington state. he’s not in

Washington state. he’s not in
Seattle or. He’s out out he’s

Seattle or. He’s out out he’s
so he’s in the the hospital

so he’s in the the hospital
every he’s working overtime

every he’s working overtime
every at the same for his hits

every at the same for his hits
and all, he said, was yeah, you

and all, he said, was yeah, you
don’t mess with this. you just

don’t mess with this. you just
don’t, he says. I see it every

don’t, he says. I see it every
day you gotta you gotta be a

day you gotta you gotta be a
lot more careful than you think

lot more careful than you think
and be more careful than that.

and be more careful than that.
But you know that was me so

But you know that was me so
that was my so at least I had I

that was my so at least I had I
I had someone I actually had

I had someone I actually had
direct contact with it actually

direct contact with it actually
telling me about it But you

telling me about it But you
know, I other people the same

know, I other people the same
thing. but it’s not here. I

thing. but it’s not here. I
mean that’s everyone’s first

mean that’s everyone’s first
reaction. It’s not here because

reaction. It’s not here because
where you know isn’t the

where you know isn’t the
hospital? So why isn’t it

hospital? So why isn’t it
happening? And why isn’t this

happening? And why isn’t this
happening? well? it be here

happening? well? it be here
next and you just don’t know.

next and you just don’t know.
you know it could it’s it’s

you know it could it’s it’s
it’s so hard to predict these

it’s so hard to predict these
things, but how long do we live

things, but how long do we live
in fear and watch our tank

in fear and watch our tank
because of that fear. It’s

because of that fear. It’s
true. I’m not saying saying

true. I’m not saying saying
that it’s been the wrong course

that it’s been the wrong course
of action. I mean the way I

of action. I mean the way I
see. the resurgence of. black

see. the resurgence of. black
lives matter the the racial

lives matter the the racial
conversations is a a lot of

conversations is a a lot of
seems like they’ve posed the

seems like they’ve posed the
choice of staying at home. Stay

choice of staying at home. Stay
stay at home and die quietly or

stay at home and die quietly or
go out onto the streets and run

go out onto the streets and run
this risk and make a whole lot

this risk and make a whole lot
of noise and. Do something with

of noise and. Do something with
it? That’s what I’m with my

it? That’s what I’m with my
patients staying staying home.

patients staying staying home.
It’s driving people in pain.

It’s driving people in pain.
It’s it’s getting it’s getting

It’s it’s getting it’s getting
difficult and more difficult.

difficult and more difficult.
We We got the way to listen

stories about KT Fromm patient

stories about KT Fromm patient
in different acts aspects

in different acts aspects
economically

Family travels

money unemployment and all the

money unemployment and all the
things anxiety sleep disorders

things anxiety sleep disorders
and it’s the mental health

and it’s the mental health
professional talking problem of

professional talking problem of
post-traumatic stress disorder

post-traumatic stress disorder
disorder after so I think it’s

disorder after so I think it’s
going to happen because people

going to happen because people
are already vari. And so how

are already vari. And so how
long is going to this even

long is going to this even
different governments

work Organization of help. or

work Organization of help. or
whatever it is called so it’s

whatever it is called so it’s
safe to get out to live a

safe to get out to live a
normal life, but help people is

normal life, but help people is
going to feel. so it’s it’s

going to feel. so it’s it’s
hidden.

I will say in some when we

I will say in some when we
start the deep talk today that

start the deep talk today that
I was feeling personally very

I was feeling personally very
tired. of working even from

tired. of working even from
home working with my patients

home working with my patients
and with business is it’s

and with business is it’s
putting me very tired. and I

putting me very tired. and I
how idd my patients patients

how idd my patients patients
are my family and stuff and how

are my family and stuff and how
many people. Is their jobs and

many people. Is their jobs and
all the things that It’s not

all the things that It’s not
It’s it’s a disaster we need to

It’s it’s a disaster we need to
face it but if we don’t face it

face it but if we don’t face it
as it is. we want to put our

as it is. we want to put our
strengths together to work on

strengths together to work on
it, we can keep on denial as

it, we can keep on denial as
far as but if if this is

far as but if if this is
hitting us in different ways.

hitting us in different ways.
yeah. I don’t I don’t wanna

yeah. I don’t I don’t wanna
wanna be negative. I want to be

wanna be negative. I want to be
realistic. Yes, I I a hundred

realistic. Yes, I I a hundred
percent agree. I think we’ve

percent agree. I think we’ve
known kind since we first

known kind since we first
started seeing this happening

started seeing this happening
that it’s going to destroy far

that it’s going to destroy far
more people’s livelihoods. than

more people’s livelihoods. than
lives of the people that it’s

lives of the people that it’s
actually going claim that there

actually going claim that there
there’s. the amount of people

there’s. the amount of people
that are going to die from this

that are going to die from this
disease. but then.

Impact on livelihood of people

Impact on livelihood of people
is far more expensive. Yes it

is far more expensive. Yes it
it The.

there’s a is it possible that

there’s a is it possible that
we overreacted. in trying to

we overreacted. in trying to
keep safe in and inadvertently

keep safe in and inadvertently
caused damage to livelihood

caused damage to livelihood
than we needed to.

I to I love would love it if

I to I love would love it if
you I actually believe that

you I actually believe that
Economy be focused in the side

Economy be focused in the side
just for the simple fact that.

The more the the lockdown and

The more the the lockdown and
the are taken seriously, The

the are taken seriously, The
less amount of time you have to

less amount of time you have to
be in that situation the impact

be in that situation the impact
that has already been felt and

that has already been felt and
the repercussions have been

the repercussions have been
felt is going to be worse and

felt is going to be worse and
probably last a lot longer than

probably last a lot longer than
economic crisis in 2008 and

economic crisis in 2008 and
even the Great Great

even the Great Great
Depression. So I understand

Depression. So I understand
that economic fallout of this

that economic fallout of this
is definitely going to massive

is definitely going to massive
include a lot of people’s

include a lot of people’s
livelihoods into into cause.

livelihoods into into cause.
Add to the and add to the and

Add to the and add to the and
not that if you’re going to be

not that if you’re going to be
able to pay the rent buy food,

able to pay the rent buy food,
The thing is. in a working

The thing is. in a working
society. there is a social

society. there is a social
contract that the reason why

contract that the reason why
you pay taxes and when the

you pay taxes and when the
social contract is. manipulated

social contract is. manipulated
and and denigrated and taken

and and denigrated and taken
away little by little for the

away little by little for the
benefit of. Free market and you

benefit of. Free market and you
know bailing out big

know bailing out big
corporations and giving that

corporations and giving that
big tax breaks to be is that

big tax breaks to be is that
you know allowing allowing

you know allowing allowing
charity donations to be to be

charity donations to be to be
be tax and it’s just it’s still

be tax and it’s just it’s still
keeping the people that are at

keeping the people that are at
home anxious to people that

home anxious to people that
actually run the economy. the

actually run the economy. the
people that are the servers

people that are the servers
that the people that work in

that the people that work in
the work in the hospitality and

the work in the hospitality and
retail the people that make the

retail the people that make the
minimum. Wage Those are the

minimum. Wage Those are the
people that are left behind

people that are left behind
those are actually this awards

those are actually this awards
like for for for us to run to

like for for for us to run to
run as a society. We don’t

run as a society. We don’t
really need bankers, you know

really need bankers, you know
like we don’t we don’t need to

like we don’t we don’t need to
what what we need is to be

what what we need is to be
doing food and to be to be

doing food and to be to be
cleaning our streets and be be

cleaning our streets and be be
keeping the working working and

keeping the working working and
those are the people that have

those are the people that have
the bailout. so those are the

the bailout. so those are the
people that should have That

people that should have That
part their contracts in and I

part their contracts in and I
feel like that hasn’t that has

feel like that hasn’t that has
been taken away piece by piece

been taken away piece by piece
throughout throughout the the

throughout throughout the the
years. No maternity leave not

years. No maternity leave not
having sick leave not having

having sick leave not having
having like keeping people in a

having like keeping people in a
work situation where you know

work situation where you know
you you you don’t have a salary

you you you don’t have a salary
that allows you to just have

that allows you to just have
one job and be able to provide

one job and be able to provide
pay and feed yourself.

It’s it’s it’s been building up

It’s it’s it’s been building up
to. what what it is today and I

to. what what it is today and I
think that’s how it has exposed

think that’s how it has exposed
all of the fallouts that we

all of the fallouts that we
have as a society at large and

have as a society at large and
kind of stressed the it’s it’s

kind of stressed the it’s it’s
it’s stressed all parts of the

it’s stressed all parts of the
the system at the same time it

the system at the same time it
really has it really has what

really has it really has what
I’ve seen in a countries that

I’ve seen in a countries that
have been that in my. I feel

have been that in my. I feel
like that was the right thing

like that was the right thing
to do for example, I am

knowledgeable or or Aware of

knowledgeable or or Aware of
Portugal pushable immediately

Portugal pushable immediately
froze the rents electricity and

froze the rents electricity and
water it provided foods for for

water it provided foods for for
for for people each activated

for for people each activated
the military for them to feed

the military for them to feed
all all the homeless it makes

all all the homeless it makes
every immigrants until I think

every immigrants until I think
the end of July a resident so

the end of July a resident so
they have access to. And

they have access to. And
they’re not afraid of searching

they’re not afraid of searching
and looking for the services.

and looking for the services.
and therefore spreading if they

and therefore spreading if they
do have the disease. so

do have the disease. so
everything was kinda built in

everything was kinda built in
to support everyone while this

to support everyone while this
this was happening, the people

this was happening, the people
were okay with staying at home.

were okay with staying at home.
and not worried because you

and not worried because you
already have to worry about

already have to worry about
being that world pandemic that

being that world pandemic that
has never happened before and

has never happened before and
worried your loved ones and

worried your loved ones and
your own The last thing that

your own The last thing that
you need. Is to worry about if

you need. Is to worry about if
you’re to have a roof over your

you’re to have a roof over your
head or if you’re do get sick

head or if you’re do get sick
sick and go to hospital if

sick and go to hospital if
you’re going to bankrupt your

you’re going to bankrupt your
whole family. And there’s a

whole family. And there’s a
there’s a there’s a contract

there’s a there’s a contract
social contract there and if

social contract there and if
it’s not being met then

it’s not being met then
something does need to change

something does need to change
dramatically and I don’t think

dramatically and I don’t think
that opening the economy and of

that opening the economy and of
of course, the people,

of course, the people,
especially lower social

especially lower social
economic group that need to and

economic group that need to and
need to be out not because they

need to be out not because they
want to, but because they have

want to, but because they have
those are the people that are

those are the people that are
going to suffer. Those are the

going to suffer. Those are the
people that cannot afford

people that cannot afford
health care. Those are the

health care. Those are the
people that are going to die

people that are going to die
and those are the people that

and those are the people that
are on the streets.

So I think it is false economy

So I think it is false economy
to to only be looking at the

to to only be looking at the
economical side without wanting

economical side without wanting
form of because if you need to

form of because if you need to
put people’s lives in danger.

put people’s lives in danger.
something is not right.

Makes total sense I have

Makes total sense I have
nothing more to add we’ve been

nothing more to add we’ve been
going for just about two hours

going for just about two hours
now, now, so I we might wanna

now, now, so I we might wanna
do around like closing comments

do around like closing comments
and closing closing remarks

and closing closing remarks
give everybody an opportunity

give everybody an opportunity
to feel complete and that

to feel complete and that
they’ve been able to express

they’ve been able to express
themselves and feel heard Thank

themselves and feel heard Thank
you very much for coming this

you very much for coming this
is. been. More than I could

is. been. More than I could
have hoped for when opening

have hoped for when opening
this room ago, not knowing what

this room ago, not knowing what
we’re gonna talk about. So

we’re gonna talk about. So
thank you

thank you
magic plant.

magic plant. What else Are we

magic plant. What else Are we
gonna talk Sam? I mean we could

gonna talk Sam? I mean we could
we could we could have been

we could we could have been
making making a bet we could

making making a bet we could
making of tea houses. And that

making of tea houses. And that
just distraction. Yeah, I know

just distraction. Yeah, I know
I mean this is this is so like

I mean this is this is so like
in our faces right now. yeah,

in our faces right now. yeah,
no. thank you everybody for

no. thank you everybody for
having this conversation feel a

having this conversation feel a
little tinge of like. just kind

little tinge of like. just kind
of sadness that the only people

of sadness that the only people
that are really gonna ever

that are really gonna ever
listen to this conversation are

listen to this conversation are
people that are already like

people that are already like
preaching us and that’s what’s

preaching us and that’s what’s
kind of heartbreaking. It is

kind of heartbreaking. It is
like you know how do we how do

like you know how do we how do
we open that up? so yeah. Next

we open that up? so yeah. Next
time we we gather can talk some

time we we gather can talk some
actual plans about how we can

actual plans about how we can
make this conversation more

make this conversation more
inclusive because I guarantee

inclusive because I guarantee
you like my my parents and my

you like my my parents and my
that are you you know very

that are you you know very
different than my my ideology

different than my my ideology
like would not not even listen

like would not not even listen
to you have to say it it today

to you have to say it it today
would completely dismiss what

would completely dismiss what
you have to say, and that’s the

you have to say, and that’s the
whole point of what you’re

whole point of what you’re
saying to you know that’s just

saying to you know that’s just
kind of my my sadness right

kind of my my sadness right
now. I mean definitely don’t

now. I mean definitely don’t
listen to me. I’m a hypocrite.

listen to me. I’m a hypocrite.
I don’t know know what I’m

I don’t know know what I’m
talking about and I’m grateful

talking about and I’m grateful
I don’t my family. I mean those

I don’t my family. I mean those
are some some things that are

are some some things that are
responses when I try to talk

responses when I try to talk
about my my privilege and when

about my my privilege and when
to talk about you know like why

to talk about you know like why
I do the work that I do with

I do the work that I do with
with even people people that I

with even people people that I
so it’s it’s heartbreaking but

so it’s it’s heartbreaking but
it’s all good. We have tea. so

it’s all good. We have tea. so
you know. I’m feeling good.

you know. I’m feeling good.
Thank you guys.

I’m sorry, it’s conversation

I’m sorry, it’s conversation
was a little bit depressing. I

was a little bit depressing. I
was able to no you’re you’re

was able to no you’re you’re
you are a gift mccalla. I just

you are a gift mccalla. I just
I I feel. I don’t I just

I I feel. I don’t I just
growing up the way that I did

growing up the way that I did
only a couple of years after

only a couple of years after
the finish you know it was

the finish you know it was
really instilled in us that we

really instilled in us that we
need to be active. We need

need to be active. We need
aware we need to be be diligent

aware we need to be be diligent
that we need to be part of the

that we need to be part of the
conversation and we need to do

conversation and we need to do
our own work and and not depend

our own work and and not depend
on others. I feel like has

on others. I feel like has
allowed me to to have

allowed me to to have
conversations like but. At the

conversations like but. At the
time, like I exactly what Elise

time, like I exactly what Elise
is saying, you know like having

is saying, you know like having
conversations like this with

conversations like this with
family members and and people

family members and and people
that have not had that.

ability or needs to to to to

ability or needs to to to to
beyond what they’ve said, it’s

beyond what they’ve said, it’s
very it’s very hard and and

very it’s very hard and and
it’s and. I feel very happy. We

it’s and. I feel very happy. We
have this platform that we’re

have this platform that we’re
able to speak honestly and feel

able to speak honestly and feel
heard and to listen to

heard and to listen to
different sides it’s not about

different sides it’s not about
changing someone’s mind. What’s

changing someone’s mind. What’s
changing someone’s perspective?

changing someone’s perspective?
forcefully is is just putting.

forcefully is is just putting.
your forge and your knowledge

your forge and your knowledge
for and kind of debate and

for and kind of debate and
build on it. I really truly

build on it. I really truly
believe believe that you can

believe believe that you can
only have a opinion once you’ve

only have a opinion once you’ve
heard. Lots of and why got to

heard. Lots of and why got to
the conclusions that they have

the conclusions that they have
then make your own in your own

then make your own in your own
assumptions there. it’s it’s a

assumptions there. it’s it’s a
good conversation with to to to

good conversation with to to to
to have conversation

to have conversation
conversation so we can all no

conversation so we can all no
longer each and and create a

longer each and and create a
better a better reality for

better a better reality for
each other.

So thank you. Jeremy Brian

So thank you. Jeremy Brian
Closing thoughts I think I I

Closing thoughts I think I I
just wanted to fill up the the

just wanted to fill up the the
thought it it actually is don’t

thought it it actually is don’t
be afraid to surround yourself

be afraid to surround yourself
with people who disagree with

with people who disagree with
you. it’s really important to

you. it’s really important to
surround yourself people who

surround yourself people who
disagree with because at least

disagree with because at least
it does is it helps it helps

it does is it helps it helps
you formulate your own

you formulate your own
argument. And if you convince

argument. And if you convince
one person you you can probably

one person you you can probably
more effectively so for many

more effectively so for many
more.

but I think too often people do

but I think too often people do
avoid that uncomfortable

avoid that uncomfortable
conversation. but they really.

conversation. but they really.
need it. If it does is it helps

need it. If it does is it helps
it helps you formulate your own

it helps you formulate your own
argument. and if you can

argument. and if you can
convince one person you can.

What I Yeah, I did it. Sorry.

What I Yeah, I did it. Sorry.
Sorry Jeremy I’m very very

Sorry Jeremy I’m very very
sorry. That was my fault. I

sorry. That was my fault. I
take responsibility for that.

take responsibility for that.
shame.

Is now. What was is it it all

Is now. What was is it it all
day? What happened? No? We’re

day? What happened? No? We’re
good. Oh. yeah. We’re good. I I

good. Oh. yeah. We’re good. I I
just I I was trying to listen

just I I was trying to listen
Jeremy talk more and I made

Jeremy talk more and I made
that happen. so I’m sorry that

that happen. so I’m sorry that
was my bad. Brian would you

was my bad. Brian would you
would you like to offer any

would you like to offer any
closing remarks? Yeah, I this

closing remarks? Yeah, I this
has been a dominant

has been a dominant
conversation for a.m. of

conversation for a.m. of
reasons I’m grateful for the

reasons I’m grateful for the
space to. continue talking

space to. continue talking
about it and be present with

about it and be present with
those who are sharing some

those who are sharing some
really challenging. state mind,

really challenging. state mind,
but still being willing to be

but still being willing to be
in those conversations. I mean

in those conversations. I mean
our some people that we know

our some people that we know
that are in the in in

that are in the in in
profession of PR have been

profession of PR have been
instructed us very strongly to

instructed us very strongly to
not say anything like that’s.

Exactly what we should do.

Exactly what we should do.
That’s exactly how we’ve got

That’s exactly how we’ve got
Figuring out we’re going from

Figuring out we’re going from
here.

Wonderful Thank you guys all

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