Sunday, March 29, 2020 - Exploring the Future of Clean Energy

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an introduction Sure my name is
Cynthia Moore and I'm the Las

Vegas Ville Consultant for Moms,
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Echo. We're an Organization of Moms
and dads. we have over

a million members in the entire
country. we're. Here in Nevada,

we have over eight thousand members
and we have an organizer as

well. Feel consultant in Reno working
there as well of what we

do is we work directly with our
federal delegation and our

state legislators and local elected.
we are working right now.

we have several campaigns going
on right now. We're working on

zero climate pollution. we're working
on Mercury. Standards

Clean Arch Clean car standards also
toxic chemical reform, but

what we do is we engage our members
in different ways. this is

one of them. We're working on doing
virtual panels like the

essential future. during the legislative
session we meet with

our legislators. we partnered up
with cheese spot and other

environmental groups during the
last legislative session to

pass the clean buses for a. Youngster
build that the governor

signed into law, which would make
it so our school buses move

from diesel and become electric.
so that's something that we

were able to work on and engage
our members said are the things

we want to make sure that people
have a voice in this and I we

bring them into the whole and that
they talk about why all this

is a. the reason why I got engaged
in this work was a long time

ago. I've always been interested
in making sure that we move

more towards the clean renewable
energy. I couldn't understand

why we were still using you know
coal plants when we have the

Sun here and there's just other
ways that we could get our

energy but what really motivated
me recently was the birth of

my son. he's almost three years
old and I know. Feel that we

can do better for our planet as
so climate change is something

that's really important to me. I
want to make sure that when

I'm gone, I leave this Earth in
a better place that way my son

and my grandkids can enjoy the many
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Maria we were thinking that since
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want me to repeat what I said earlier,
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actually while you're sorting that
out so Senator Chris Brooks

is one of our panelists. Yeah himself.
Okay. is he not I'm

coming back on the meeting? No.
he's that's what I'm saying

he's here. Okay. If you want to
well Maria while you're

figuring this out, Chris do you
wanna reintroduce yourself? yes

please. Sure, thank you so I'm Senator
Chris Brooks,

representing the third District
of of Nevada, which is

basically the Center of Las Vegas
and and I I have a long

history in renewable energy and
and I I started a solar company

about about 20 years ago and and
it was the first solar

electric company here in the state
and I went on to develop the

first net metering systems and and
first utility scale solar

electric system of VA photobucket
Texas. Years ago and have

worked in that field my entire career
since then and went on to

to be the executive vice President
of a power company where my

my roles there were to advance clean
energy and that work

brought me to the Nevada Legislature
back in 2003 to lobby for

a bill that that would increase
solar use and access in Nevada

and and that's what what led me
to to get involved in the

policy arena and to to get elected
to run for office and to get

a. And and throughout the history
of of my career going back 20

years in this particular subject
people who've always said it's

it's too soon. It's too expensive.
We can't do it. It will be

too hard and and they've been consistently
wrong and I've I've

I've always been absolutely surprised
about how wrong they are.

It's actually grown faster. It's
cheaper. It's the technology

and and and the pricing of this
has exceeded my wildest dreams

and and so I when I look at. Percent
I think that's very

possible and I'll be surprised.
I'm sure I'll be surprised how

quickly we can get there. one of
the things I did in the last

couple of Sessions was I worked
on the RPS Build Renewable

Portfolio Standard and I I was the
the sponsor of that and and

and work with the team to draft
that bill and and it was

amazing. I tried to run that same
bill in 2017 and and met a

tremendous amount of opposition.
He got no Republican votes and

and was Beto. We passed it, but
it was be told by the then

governor. On Sandoval just in the
two years from 17 to 19, it

went to the unanimous support in
the Legislature and then being

signed by the Democratic Governor
of Governor Steve his life.

so it's amazing what just two years
can can do when there's a

policy makers really get involved
and so I look forward to

working with with all the folks
on this panel and in and the

team that's assembled here today
to watch this to to to create

good polls. That will accommodate
the the technology that that

currently exist and I'm sure the
technology that will advance

and then coming years.

While we're while we're here Doctor
Bob bomb from UNLV just got

back on the call since we're starting
again, do you want to

briefly reintroduce yourself? I
give my part of this is that

the idea at this point, Yes. Okay.
Yeah. I'm a faculty member

of a mechanical engineering Department
at UNLV and I've worked

for a very long time and renewable
energy and what I wanna do

is kinda re go through the sources
that are available to us in

the US very briefly and to us in
Nevada a little more

independent. But for the US generally
we have energy

conservation. I put energy conservation
in in both list because

even though it's not really a source
of energy, I feel that

it's an important issue in. However,
we move that an energy

conservation, no matter what kind
of energy you're trying to

use and how you're trying to use
it is gonna be the most

important issue that you put into
the design of the system. But

anyway, energy conservation is number
one. We also have in the

United States, solar energy geothermal,
energy and wind energy.

Those are the main sources of energy
that we have available.

They're available in different kinds
of places more in some

places and less than others. so
there are quite variable across

the country, which makes it important
that we kind of tune in a

particular area that we're into
what we're trying to take a. So

if we move on to Nevada, the things
that we have here are of

course, energy conservation and
I might mention then some of

specific kinds of things on each
of these that I go through

energy conservation has a very large
number of possibilities,

but the one that I'll just mention
is for if we're in a

building and there are so many different
kinds of conservation

things we can do in that building.
Will increase our

availability of energy saving some
money so that's something to

keep in mind. buildings are the
big thing I think for Nevada

generally and so keep that in mind,
then beyond that we go to

solar energy. Now. solar comes in
a couple different forms for

our our group of possibilities here
they're both for power

generation. And also for heating
processes are solar energy

kinds of applications. Our generation
could be done by two

different kinds of ways. the most
popular way currrently is

photo takes and by far it's dominating
the field right now. So

if you see a panel on a roof of
a House chances are it's

affordable. take maybe a water heating
panel, but the chances

are most likely a PDF. there's also
a PVC setup in fields. so

if you go and tell the road. Valley
South of Las Vegas. there's

tons of power generation units down
there are various works.

The Energy type of system the type
of heating system rather

than the type of portable take panel
are the heating systems

that generated with trust. So if
there's a there's a trophy

system also in the El Dorado Valley
South of Las Vegas and then

what it does is heats the water
up and runs or heats of food up

and runs through a turbine just
like to bend. Power plants were

accept the sources sunlight.

the other source that we have available
to us is geothermal

geothermal is available mainly in
the North Park Estate and

it's typically taps through large
plants that put Wells in the

ground draw the hot fluid. That's
resides down some distance in

the ground and he's used that to
turn a turbine typically in

the ultimate kind of process and
so Chill Thermal is another

one that's important, but it's primarily
for northern Nevada.

there are other kinds of systems
that I could talk about that

briefly. There are more less commonly
used, let's say. so, for

example, through us storage of very
sorts, thermal storage and

battery storage are things we've
We've been storing energy in

this way for some long time, but
having it beyond a. Large

scale is something that's coming
a little more into development

because the manufacturers are bringing
the cost down on these

things and we're gonna find that
systems on houses. there are

few of them now that maybe run 20
- four hours off the Sun.

Well, we'll see a lot more of these
in the future with storage

another source of energy as it is
either less used or not so

fully developed yet is one that's less used.
Stretch for out of

burning of of taking out the trash.
that's these like the big

dumps and putting up something that
cast catches the gas that

comes off of these things. that's
primarily natural just like

and then they could use that in
a power plant to generate

power. so methane from garbage is
something that's there.

Limited and it's mainly from big
cities Solar towers. There are

two towers not too far from Las
Vegas. Both of them are having

some operational problems the one
in over the Nevada or the

California line. I think it's still
operating while the one up

North of Las Vegas is having some
problems and not operating

from what I understand hydrogen,
I began could be something

that we use and has been used from
a long time. really they're

been automobile's. Made back early
part of the last century,

but it's something we're gonna see
more and more of is hydrogen

generation and use yeah and various
kinds of applications solar

cooling or limited and some of the
other kinds of things that

we see. but it exists and we're
gonna see some developments in

that area. Ultimately, right now,
it tends to be very

expensive. I'll just mention. Three
more very briefly here

advances in front of all take technology.
There are various

kinds of cheaper cases systems higher
performance kinds of

systems and things are out there
that are a little different

than the discipline all flat plate
systems, but that we're

going to see more and more of these
other kinds. Finally, I met

mentioned two other ones that if
we were a seaport on the Sea

somewhere we could cap wave power
or title power, of course

where we're. Blocks away we are
here those are not at all

available to us. Those are that's
a very quick summary of

different kinds of sources.

Go I supposed are so one panelist
we haven't heard from yet

today would be Linear. He's like
he's a retired dentist who has

also been one of our best friend
team volunteers Lynn. If you

wanna introduce yourself and then
Maria, I will then you can

introduce yourself again and then
take back over. Yes, you know

I guess I needed right I live here.
I have a physicist and

chemical engineer that went on clean
energy and environmental

projects for months Center of Chemical
Company for 30 - four

years. always as a ID in Chicago.
Yeah RD function that I I'm

gonna blend out what what Robert
said on some of the things

he's quite quite right about some
of the technologies are

feeling the wrong. I Believes that
we can make our voters of

harvest clean energy by 2050 by
all of these these technologies

we talked about and I'm gonna talk
really detail about a few of

them that I actually have experience
with in the energy is

definitely installing PVC on Senator
connected to investor

batteries right now, which seems
to be kind of a murder for so

and as well as with across the nation.
I'm especially in Las

Vegas because that because, for
example, we're talking about

the you know sir on the rooftops.
The reality is that this is a

net metering things going on now,
reality is that that's not a.

it's a nonstarter in the respect
that the India energies,

killing three times the amount of
costs. For the rest officer

when they do the new Style Center
panel, which is around

three cents a kilowatt hour right
now, a retail at the source

of the power. so when they put the
that still leads into our

what we called the snap and the
snack ribs is the film is gonna

enable us to leave it out power
at the hundred percent renewal

level, which is very difficult.
so I ate a lot harder than

that. 50 percent because when you
have the 50 percent you're

allowed to turn on some gas power
chiropractic occasion to to

level out the power of the grip
for a hundred percent that

happen anymore. So you have to have
some some other kinds of

power to take the place with the
sudden shock and what is to

share power with people with with
people that have a lot of

room like uncle in Wyoming, where
he has really rich in their

reach. and so that comes to a stop.
Group, which connects our

area and they're actually trying
to build some reasonable

transmission lines for those at
least from my own down to

Nevada because of when sometimes
where the Sun is not shining.

it is a special kind of necessary
to distribute power hundred

percent Power 20 -, 47, will be
using medical type places to

get your powerful The public sources,
but let me give you some

experience. I had when I was looking
for Santa. One of our are

higher. One of our processes was
a 50 megawatt electric

chemical process, which I was a
RBI engineer in Baldwin and

this process. we had to if we turn
that they are. it was like

eight 80000 amps a 600 pounds if
we turn that thing on TJ. 20 -

eight comes down so we had acquired
made of leather power of

with TVA, which is a surprise source
in order to in order to

manage that electric pencil process.
Well today is the

essential thing where power you
have to love the the you know

you have to have some backup power
in order to instant back up

to to take place in the surgeons
or you don't have far ability

for things like Right now is batteries
but there's other

sources as well. the as mentioned
batteries of manager power

when excess is event where there's
excess power and make it

available. another is is a lack
of power from safe, for

example, so when the Sun goes down
but but there's a little

expensive but technology is driving
the cost down and they some

say that when it's around A hundred
Bucks. For rock, then it's

equitable with other kinds of power
in a little bit a little

bit more in the next 70 outcome,
which is the sequestering

higher success rate coverage now
important to the total

important to maintain 20 - 47. You
need continuous hundred

percent power sources like deal
former and hydropower that that

I mentioned Kind of kind of believer
that the nation we're we

have a lot of terrified of course
after every day, but hydrogen

is really. he also played that out
how to just really

absolutely more important things
we could we could you know use

in order to supplement the power
that we need 20 - 47 now so

questioning simply have thought
about the question and common

oxide in order to save. Run up a
gas power power plant or

something like that, but that's
not practical. I actually was

involved with a a process that produced
10000 tons of pure

high. I was actually the RV engineer
for hundred plants to

produce 10000 pounds of pure hydration
animal. The problem is

when we make covered when we make
hydrogen using the steam

methane reformers that we had generate
us and see 02 and so

term. Was he had to be sequestered
or stepped from the hydrogen

and it's actually quite feasible
and when you're just making

which is from manufacturing is not
alone but when you're

talking about the massive amount
from power places is

impractical because the equipment
is is is very expensive and

and fairly highly technical and
and in reality would not be

practical from scaling up to the
large skills we need for power

plants. So what I'd like to point
out is it's better to not

make the cover. At the beginning,
rather than trying to step it

out when you we I like to call it
is better to not not put

lipstick on a pig is to go ahead
and put me on make make power

that does not generate carbon dioxide.
and I've heard that the

truth now the best method I got
to put out the best method to

remove carbon dioxide is now in
the atmosphere is by planning a

lot of trees worldwide and refuel.
Places that were forced to

been pouring down like in Brazil,
for example, or higher faster

than ever. They haven't been for
millions of years, just as

many billions, we need balance of
trees worldwide, but that is

that could there's some evidence
shows that my term as you

could remove maybe 30 percent of
the property oxide. it's

needed to get get back to work now.
How did you? I like that

about hundreds of seconds? I think
being the bad now but it's

actually very practical way of of
getting some supplemental

power. once you the way you get
it is you have a tape of water

and all you do is stick a couple
of veterans here and plug it

into some Center powers and wind
power and the highly of oxygen

bubbles away in the

in the Catholic. It's pure hydrogen,
we could be captured in

his to grab the turbans to supplement
the grid power or it can

be used in manufacturing now manufacture.
We are one of things

they mentioned is manufacturing
manufacturing. we need to be

playing their up as well. They play
their act up in terms now

again back to the President was
better to not make Colorado

oxide to begin with and the Ohio
this process can produce.

Hydrogen with probably clean through
processes that make

fertilizer or other dogs or other
chemicals that require the

use of hydrogen rather than putting
on the reformer process,

which uses a lot of natural gas
and generates a lot of public

oxide now one of the things that
one exception of hydropower,

though I like to put it out is a
reality after a better kind of

a steady unusual hydration for vehicles.
electric vehicles is

that magical. I've heard a hydrogen
and the the infrastructure

required to handle higher to to
have a higher vehicle is way

more expensive. Now since the cost
of batteries is down the

only real practical way they caught
a low cost way is E V,

which is electric vehicles using
batteries in charging them,

and it's actually 90 -. five percent
of the power for electric

car can be done by charging in your
garage and then I One of

the things I recommend for our group
or anybody that's working

on is to make EVs less expensive
for the average family now to

expensive and not available widely.
I think getting the the the

price stand this. it cost nothing
batteries coming down but we

need to get those CDs on the market
maybe for return. so so

people asked for the actual another
thing that's a problem is

charging we're working on getting
the charging of those

fashion, but they also have. Now
a 300000 mile lifetime now the

new some of the new electric cars
the batteries last 300000

miles and they're very soon in the
next few years. Experts say

they'll be cheaper to buy than than
gaspard vehicles so that

that's what I say anyway we can
do it basically.

Thank you Lynn. I will now turn
it over back to Maria Maria

Munich of who will introduce herself
and her background and

then moderate the rest of. Okay.
Okay. Thank you it's all

really interesting stuff and I'm
really happy to hear all of

your expertise on the subject. I
come from a completely

different background. I am a field
biologist, so I come from

the ecology and environment sort
of background so I primarily

work with the desert Tortoise population
here in well actually

over the entire Mohammed dessert.
So although I'm based here in

Las Vegas, I currently have a project
in. Windows California

and I've worked throughout Southern
California, Southern Nevada

and a tiny bit of Utah that tiny
bit of Arizona. That's in the

desert. so yeah well. you know we've
all looked at and spoken

about the evidence. How dire it
is for us to go to work cooking

energy. the evidence is just you
know all over the place so.

Example, even just now with the
Covid- 19, we have a Stanford

University study that just came
out showing the pollution

levels in China prior to this crisis
and pollution levels now

and they're just insanely like it's
the airs like so much

cleaner now and it's measurable
so moving toward a cleaner

energy future. We can have that
and we can create that by

eliminating fossil fuels and you
know eliminating cool and the

traditional forms of energy production
that we have been used

to in the past decades and decades
so ecologically the desert

tortoise population. We talked about
Photobucket take solar

versus the mirror systems talking
about Ivan Paw right on the

California Nevada state line and
the major fat. It has on our

wild animal population that I would
say around A hundred and 50

tortoises desert tortoises have
been trends located for that

project back in 2010 to 2012, and
my friend, Kirsten is

currently finishing up her PHD on
the subject and she is

looking at the effects of large
scale solar on those are

tornadoes populations and a lot
of them don't do too well.

And she has genetic evidence in
her in her work to show the and

the bigger problem. The much much
much bigger problem is

affects these mirrors have on our
Bird population. so the few

times that I have gone out to Ivan
Paw. I noticed this is

anecdotally. not any sort of evidence
was collected on this,

but I noticed really odd birds that
should not have been there

like American coots. And yeah, water
Bird some Ducks you know

the reason why they were attracted
was because the mirrors look

like water so they shouldn't have
been there. Yeah. the

appearance of water created this
mirage attract the water birds

and much much more importantly is
that these mirrors that they

that shine on to the towers anything
that flies in that beat

those beams yet vaporized. So it's
even almost impossible to do

a proper mortality studies because
mortality studies involved

counting carcasses and if you can't
account purposes if they're

just ash we can't even get an accurate
number to have many

birds are being killed through these
mirror systems. so it

seems you know economically ecologically
it just seems that

photo voltaic is the way to go combat.
Point of view So yeah, I

just get it kinda gave a brief background
of where I'm coming

from. so our first question I came
from one of our wealth from

the least and it's very legitimate.
how can we make an

incentive to make people wanna go
renewed to renewable energy

sources and what about converting
these major cities that are

completely built around these sources
having how do we get them

to change to renewable energy with
anyone like to offer to

answer that first? Maybe from a
political standpoint, Senator

Yeah, I I think that the it's largely
a financial conversation

and I think that that most consumers
don't want to buy

renewable energy. They would much
rather have a clean energy if

given a choice but not if it's at
a premium and so I think that

that making intelligent policy decisions
that that incentivize

the lowest cost renewables and and
So many good points were

brought up that that lead to that
and and I know about Lynn was

talking about the transmission system.
There are things that we

can do from a policy standpoint
at the state level, but at the

National level group, particularly
the first the Federal Energy

Regulatory Commission on how we
could streamline the adoption

of of a smart grid and build out
more transmission to

accommodate using Having a very
portfolio of renewable

resources across a very portfolio
of load and and so there's

there's a lot of things we can do
and when I know that the the

question was about incentivizing
but I think that just really

making smart policy decisions will
allow for the low cost

adoption of renewable energy without
direct financial

incentives, but then on the on on
the fellas. Side the

investment tax credit that is Associated
with with renewable

energy. Construction has been a
significant mover for for

adopting a large scale solar projects
and and wind projects and

geothermal projects across the country
and in our state, we

have an incentive and that is the
renewable energy tax

abatement program in the state of
Nevada. So if you take the

federal investment tax credit, coupled
with the renewable

energy tax abatement program, it
makes the cost. Of solar and

wind and geothermal far less than
it would be otherwise and

that that to me is the most effective
and efficient way to

incentivize renewable energy. I
I I don't think that that that

it's very effective from a financial
standpoint from from a

cost-benefit standpoint to give
direct incentives to the end

user and subsidize the cost of electricity
in that way. Okay.

Thank you Cynthia I would like to
know certain communities tend

to be more representative within
the environmental activist

movement but more than others. So
how can we make this movement

better reflect not Nevada in America
as a whole? any thoughts

on that? Yeah. So mom's clean Air
force has the next outreach

program called Richmond and what
we do is we hold meetings

called Go. To seek those and we
engage our members and Spanish,

we have discussions about what it
is that we're doing on the

federal level, but also what we're
doing on the local level and

state level and we hold these vehicles.
with our members in

different States have several accommodates
feel consultants

that are part of our Organization
and that's part of the way

that we bring them into our Organization
and let them know

that. Even if they might not speak
the language or maybe don't

feel comfortable going to different,
you know with different

Organization, we bring them into
the fold and we talk directly

to them. we're not the only Organization
out there their selves

so cheesy spot they've been around
for a while here in Nevada.

They're one of our partners that
we work with we also have

another partner here in Nevada.
They don't necessarily work on

environmental issues on. But we
do a lot of work with make the

road and there are a number of driven
Organization and before

all this happened. I was going to
go speak to their membership

about the ways that they could get
involved in climate change

and our movement and part I was
going to go present to them

once a month. so right now, everything
you know, I'm moving to

you know, holding our meetings virtually.
I'm still trying to

figure out how it is that I can
bring this message directly to

them. Okay. Thank you and there
there's been evidence that I've

read that show that you know, communities
of color tend to be

disproportionately affected by their
dirty energy. more

pollution. Well, I mean look at
Flint, Michigan. You know the

the contaminated water so I would
suggest also that may be like

you're doing you know and it's great
more awareness and then

once people are aware that this
is affecting them, you know

that would probably give them an
incentive to do. To fight for

clean energy so alright well the
next question I would like to

ask Leonard Bob because you come
from the energy standpoint

either one can answer this. What
is the greatest misconception

about clean energy? about how would
be implemented that either

of you personally run into and how
would you go about

correcting it?

either you or if you are like whichever
wants to jump in versus

comfort. I get I can come in a little
bit. I mean it's a broad

question. whether the things I noticed
was sitting several

things. I like to point out when
is that we talked about clean

energy and covered oxide is actually
a clear manager from the

standpoint is not toxic to humans
or animals or anybody else.

All of it is all that does is that
traps heat. if you breathe

out five percent cotton oxide every
time you breathe. so it's

obviously not toxic. You can't smell
it or anything like that,

whereas other pollutants, we're
talking about you know our

actually you know technical stuff
that you get something like

that probably is nothing and it
affects we we put them covered

outside of the atmosphere, say car
right here in Nevada that

common oxide show. In India and
South America and an article

throughout the globe in just a relatively
short amount of time

to win and so it's it's it's totally
I think they said that the

climate change type of thing is
better to save the room all at

once, which is a rare occurrence
in the history of average

since man has been on Earth. so
that's the misconception of

what kind of accident is do. It
seems to be the major ones.

And how about you Professor Boom?
In terms of how we can move

toward clean is that what you're
saying, yeah, what are the

biggest misconceptions you've come
across in your in your work?

well, I think making the systems
much more cost effective is

the best possible deal because most
of us are motivated by the

cost and we're we may have a desire
to be clean and all that

sort of thing, but if the cost is
really. Expensive we look at

different direction, so I think
that the crucial thing is and

this is happening. We're coming
up with more and more clean

systems that are less expensive
and I think that's the that's

the direction that we really have
to go. Okay. Thank you and

one question that was directed to
me is what can we do to

minimize ecological harm or create
ecological benefit of clean

energy technology? if we adopt them
as utility or Mass scale

well, I would suggest using already
developed area not pristine

desert, but already land that's
already been developed. for

example. If you've been to the Springs
Preserve, I don't know

if you've seen the parking lot,
they have panels on the parking

lot. That's amazing. you know the
panels are producing energy

and creating shade at the same time
for for crimes to be part

under especially in our hundred and 10
degree Summers. That's a

wonderful idea. so if we can use
already developed land to

promote place to put large-scale
solar in that would be huge,

you wouldn't be displaced. Native
wildlife out of their habitat

to create these large scale solar
farms, which is unfortunately

what we're doing at the moment so
that would be a huge huge

step in the right direction. If
we continue that land that's

already in disturbed instead of
Christine desert habitat, and

then, of course what I mentioned
earlier about using photo

rotate, which means to be the way
to go anyway, instead of the

mirror systems that it's just. The
Bird population so okay, the

next question so Senator what is
your human had mentioned your

experiences fighting for clean energy
policy at the state

level. what are some of the implement?
I mean some of the

impediments to taking to the better
level. You've already

mentioned some would you care to
expand on that? Yeah. I think

the number one obstacle we currently
have is that a lot of

people in this country definitely
and and this administration

do not believe in science and do
not respect that the data that

should be driving these these these
decisions and and they're

the the big thing that we're facing
right now and that's

probably the major obstacle is the
the stranded cost Assets and

the carbon economy and so if you've
got a long-term investments

made in and and refineries and an
oil and gas exploration and

production and and and the machine,
the industrial machine of

our our our planet that has been
running off of carbon-based

fuels for so very long to try to
transition away from that you

make all of those those previous
investments, non economic and

and that's really. The biggest obstacle
and that's what we see

with with our own utility what we
see in this country and what

we're seeing across the board in
in every economy in the world

and so that that's the biggest hurdle
and and there are

creative ways to to approach that
and one of one of the ways

we've done it in our state is by
actually paying down those in

those long-term investments and
in in our case, coal fired

power plants and so you know we.
Asking utility to make an

investment on our behalf and they
go out and they build a coal

power plant and then we for one
reason or another change our

our our policies as state and we
ask him to shut it down well,

the rate payers and and and the
companies that we asked, we

actually told to make that investment
are now on the hook and

and helping them transition out
of those those older

carbon-based investments and into
what we do. We feel is now

most important. that's really the
trick and that's where policy

makers can come in through mechanisms
like carbon pricing and

and and career tax credits and also
through things like direct

security securitization of of existing
investments. Okay. Were

you able to achieve bipartisan support
for your bill? and you

know how could you get Republicans
on board with clean energy?

and then the second part of that
question? Is helpful these

changes you're proposing impact
rural communities versus those

in the bigger cities in Nevada.
Well, I'll take the second

question first in several counties
in the state of Nevada. The

the tax collected from geothermal
plants is the largest tax

payer in that County and so when
we look at at some of these

renewable energy projects and transmission
projects that

accommodate when you have energy
they, they have a tremendous

benefit for the county's the rule
communities in our state and

in the same as true. Of our nation
of with with wind

development and with transmission
development and and the the

first question that there are it.
It's it's amazing. I I got

two Republicans in the minority
Party in 2017 to vote for for

expanding our renewable portfolio
Standard and then I got

unanimous support in the 2019 session
to support expanding our

renewable. Energy portfolio Standard,
I think I got zero

Republican votes to to pass a a
carbon reduction bill that did

not even have mandates in it. It
just it ordered that we meet

me. take a a A A subsequent of where
we're at We create a

report about where we are from the
greenhouse gas emission

standpoint and we put out ideas
on how to get to the goal and

then I got zero votes. I'm from
the Republican Party on that,

but if I got a unanimous vote. The
Democratic Party and so so

what I would say is that looking
from 17 to 19 if there's an

enough public pressure from organizations
like Cindy's and from

organized and from constituents
that we can move folks into a

better place. and so that pain is
not a single public 22

Republican votes out of out of 30
and over 20 -, five and and

and 2019 unanimous votes on the
same basic piece of legislation

so With the pressure that that that
that the Green team and and

and all the volunteers in here as
well as organizations like

Cindy's, a couple with the data
and the facts from from folks

like Doctor Gamez and from folks
like Lynn that we can get

those folks to the right place by
2020, - one and it's it's an

incremental approach. I don't think
we have time. I think we

gotta get it there yesterday, but
that that that's that's the

only way that we can get it get
in there and it's so keeping up

the pressure as Educating them.

Okay. a question from Wayne Willis
wouldn't the fastest way to

clean energy to be slowly make carbon-based
energy more

expensive than market forces will
create demand incentivize

intimate innovation reward investment
in new sources storage

etcetera. So why not support a carbon
fee and dividend

legislation like the Energy Innovation
and Carbon Dividend Act

HR six anybody care to comment on

I I do support the carbon pricing
and whether it's through a

cap and trade or the dividend system,
the cost of carbon needs

to be assessed and and and then
things decisions that we make

in long-term investments that we
make is is as States and and

as Nations and as industries will
be far more realistic and and

will be based on the true cost and
so right now in our state.

it's really difficult for us to
assess any sort of cost of

carbon because of of. That is something
that really needs to

happen at a National policy. If
you if you take a piece of

metal approach to any sort of a
carbon pricing scheme on a

state-by-state basis, it could rehab
is on interstate Commerce.

Okay. Thank you. this is I'm sorry.
Can I comment too. Of

course you can okay I run family
must do at a National level is

stop subsidizing the fossil fuel
industry. That's just my.

Circle coming absolutely. Absolutely.
So the next question

comes from Jeff Jones are there
any ways we can help reduce

waste at landfills and create energy
at the same time. So I you

know a common first thing that comes
to mind is waste

incinerators, but is there any way
to do that cleanly as

anybody know about this and care
to comment on it?

If I were talking to you are you
actually the question can you

capture a recycled retail as an
interview or something like

that? yes, it's quite possible.
we did that quite a different

plate quite a few projects at Monsanto
Company where we took

waste streams and use them to great
energy rather than just

trash a project. One of my favorite
projects is in 1980 the CEO

mindset. He said reduce emissions
of all kinds of ways to the

environment by 90 percent and I
was an engineer that worked on

that and anytime I had a project
I I was included an

environmental component and we it
led to recycling recycling a

lot of our products and also improving
the efficiency of our

projects all of our products. To
in order to emissions and the

ground for 10 years and we made
it just by having the medicine

for that, but there's a lot to be
okay. Thank you the next

question is from Leslie Style. if
we get a trillion dollar plus

Green New deal slash WPA the second
stimulus. do you expect it

to be jobs and policy oriented without
the need burn senses?

Incentives or how well it works.
I guess this is it seems to be

a question for Senator Chris Brooks.
Well, I would like to see

if any sort of of direct financial
stimulus goes through to

large infrastructure projects and
and I I think that if we make

those long-term investments in renewable
energy projects using

federal dollars that that we will
once they're built, they'll

they'll stay in operation for decades
and decades. They'll put

put Americans to work and it will
help us transition away from

those some open costs and what I
would hate to see happen is

them get a. Towards the expansion
of offshore drilling or

interstate gas pipelines it is so
so much of that is is is

dependent on who sits in the White
House and who sits in in

Congress and unfortunately everybody
here has a tremendous

amount to to say who that's gonna
be in a few months. And so if

we if we get a large stimulus package,
I I am concerned with

how it will be directed in our current
administration but but

I. very optimistic that that will
change and and if it does

that we will have a much more intelligent
strategy on how we

would implement those funds and
Green infrastructure projects

right. Okay. Thank you and the next
question is from Shauna

Sean Baker about the maintenance
of photo voltaic panels if we

were to put them on every rooftop
in Las Vegas, who will

maintain them that is will a public
utility company, be able to

access them to clean and maintain
them when a property owner is

not available. Would it be better
to make? Public buildings

like malls and restaurants put out
photovoltaic panels on their

rooftops anyway here to comment.
come back. I can I can speak

to that. I think that the rooftop
server because of the

maintenance and the President started
the is a way America

expensive than than, for example,
if you put in front of a take

in large industry in the large utility
great places. Because

the the the cost of certain on the
rooftop and House over a

long term is much higher, three
times higher than the utility

grade and the cost of will become
commissioned civil like on

top of parking lots and buildings
and things like that it's

kinda similar between but the lowest
cost silver in Lewis

called maintenance will be a huge
installation like over the

city. where you have Of these, the
economy of scale is the

economy of scale than seven and
the Congress and the economy of

scale of maintaining them. If you
maintain, you know,

A thousand megawatts of power, all
at one time with cost for

the maintenance is a faction of
what it would be to go around

to all the rooftops in Las Vegas
and maintain boats. and so the

reality is to not rely too much.
On a smaller scale stuff and

more on a larger scale stuff, Okay.
Thank you Professor care to

comment on that.

Yeah. Oh. yeah. One possibility
is that flat plate TV in

general does not have to be cleaned
and I think that was shown

in some big egg plants that are
down in it. Toronto Valley I

think there's some of those facilities
that are down there.

They have never been cleaned and
yet operate almost as well as

they did when they were first put
in. so there's a little bit

of weather effect on the positive,
depending on where they're

located. it could be negative, but
it's positive in here it,

but it also for low efficiency kinds
of systems like flat plate

systems are it does. Paid to really
clean them in a very

frequent kind of war.

So well, what are the main impediments
now to making this

happen? is it just general support
for the fossil fuel industry

that's happening under this current
administration, or there is

there much more to it than that?
Well. I think the fossil fuel

whole business is something that's
very big and Redondo on a

political basis. And when we talk
about renewable kinds of

energies we have. Companies and
that sort of thing that are out

there. Some of the big companies
are starting to change their

attitudes, but in general that.
Fuel industry is made up

entirely a big companies with a
lot of political power and they

wanna keep in business doing what
they're doing. Okay. Okay.

Thank you so this screen new deal
would Nevada be able to have

something like that that would apply
just to our state or is

this sort of a federal federal proposed
legislation. Senator

Well, you know there needs to be
a comprehensive National

energy policy right, something has
been lacking for my entire

life and and and and short of that
States have stepped up and

done their own thing and and so
in Nevada we we we don't have

any any gas or oil to speak of.
We don't have cold. We don't

have these incumbent industries
that that have made have huge

workforces Associated with them
that would be displaced. So for

in Nevada it's. Upside and so that's
you know what got me into

into my current job and and I think
that there's a lot of

people who who agree with me and
support that vision, including

our governor and think about this,
we've got lithium. We're the

only operating lithium operation
in the entire North America

and lithium is the primary ingredient
for energy storage and

for electric vehicle storage. we
have an album ours is an

operating lithium operation, Iron
Eer and and and lithium

America have have mad. deposits
that they've identified in

their developing right now, we've
got a very new one of the

most urban States in the entire
United States of America. So

therefore we have new infrastructure
and we have the average

short of round trip the average
commute or the average Las

Vegas is less than 10 miles, so
even though the the most modest

and inexpensive electric vehicles
that could solve those those

every daily needs. Then you take
all of that. Together and and

there is really no good reason for
us not to electrify as much

as we possibly can and then provide
that electricity with

renewable energy and and and so
I think that that we are trying

to do a Green new deal in the state
of Nevada and and I've

watched in my career. tens of thousands
of people be employed

and make a good living wage in this
clean energy economy.

Nevada has the most solar jobs per
capita in the United States,

Nevada uses the moon. Solar per
capita in the United States and

if we couple that with the geothermal,
but we have the wind

available ability that we have in
and the opportunities for

transportation electrification,
I I think there's nothing but

upside for for our economy for for
and for our air and and for

our greenhouse gas emissions that
that benefit the entire

region. But I think when it was
very broad of a very important

point, we need to talk about the
regionalization of our

transmission systems is we can't
do it alone? Yes, okay. Thank

you. we've reached our time 330,
but since there's a little

glitch is everybody they're able
to stay for another 10 minutes

or so longer.

Okay. Thank you

Well, anecdotally, I drive a Nissan
Leaf and even and I bought

it used. It's a 2012 about it in
2016 and even in the almost

four years I've owned that car.
I noticed a huge upsurge in the

amount of charging stations just
in Las Vegas. I see them at

all sorts of casinos now shopping
mall of whereas before you

know, I was very limited in my mobility
because there wasn't a

place to charge it and there was
always that battery anxiety. I

was running out of battery so even
in a few short years, I've

noticed a noticeable improvement
in that. so yeah, no matter is

improving, but there's still a long
way to go. Okay. Hey, well,

how about we because we have about
10 minutes left. everybody

do a closing closing statement and
then we'll we'll wrap it up.

Okay. So let's start with you.

Go worry about that thank you for
having for inviting Moms,

Clean Air Force and mothers to be
part of the panel. I've I

enjoy doing these things because
every time I learned something

new but I do think that together
we can make a difference and

anyone that wants to get involved
and you can visit our

website. Moms Clean Air Force dot
org The Org or you know,

there's the Green team as well that
people can volunteer with

we are a member-driven Organization
and we look forward to

working with the senator and the
rest of our legislative

members and moving forward. I do
think that we had a huge

victory this last pledge of session.
I think we were one of the

most greenest legislative sessions
and Nevada is leading other

States and were shot. Them that
it can be done here in Nevada

because we have leaders like Senator
Chris Brooks and others

leading the way

Okay. Professor you come up with
a few closing weeks.

Here we go. Yeah I I think that
Nevada's in a very desirable

location in terms of the energy
situation, I think as was

mentioned in some of the presentations
we don't have a lot of

heavy duty

environment environmental and polluters
in terms of energy

kinds of things within the state.
That's one positive thing. We

got our utility seems to be oriented
toward trying to do the

right thing in terms. Of renewable
kinds of energy and I think

that we're on the right track. Really.
I think I'm very happy

that I'm living in Nevada. I think
it's a great place

when what's your from you? Yes.
first of all. I'm very happy to

be part of this you know phone conference,
but also I've I've

I'm glad we're barely less on the
same page with all the people

that are in this panel. I do have.
I do have some environmental

background. We'd like to make a
couple of comments that you

posted first of all. I think the
cost of PDF with batteries is

gonna be enough that we don't have
to worry about the same

thermal stuff anymore, which is
an environmental problem. I

also did research on Emails in terms
of working with the you

know out of interface with the automated
Society in terms of

courage and this is the standpoint
is that many of the windows.

As you can watch out and put them
in driveways, but the the

number of birds save energy compared
to what might be damaged

by running into windmills is is
is with the pretty in as many

windows as you can as you look at
the areas and environmental

responsible in a general, we better
be. we gotta be careful

about going too heavy on in some
cases in the environmental

situation Because the reality is
we've got to stop global

warming for the safety of the Earth
and there are some you know

moments for lithium and some or
the underwater grab in the

Pacific Ocean for metals like cobalt
where we need to go ahead

and defend energy, which is going
to damage some environmental

habitats. We have to be that away
just have to be struggled. We

can with some of afraid of. Damage
will be done otherwise that

this has been great. It's okay.
Thank you. Senator. closing

words. Yeah. I I think that the
number one thing that I I would

like to stress is that that we can
do this. This is something

that well it it. It needs to get
less expensive. That would be

great. Well, We'll invent new things
that will make things

easier with the technology. We have
and the pricing that

currently is we can get this done
the only thing that is left.

His political will and and holding
of elected officials

accountable and electing folks who
agree with us on this is is

the key to getting this done and
the time frame that we need to

get it done

and it looks like somebody flipped
in a final question right

here at the end and so somebody
asked Jaggers asked I lost my

job because of Kobe and I would
love to work with any.

Professionals does anyone have any
programs that have been

mentioned that can fire people in
the energy field. Anybody


I will say that based on on some
recent actions across the

state of Nevada that a few gigawatts
of renewable energy will

be being built over the next couple
of years, and some of those

projects will be getting started
in the next few months. And so

if you're in the building trades,
if you're in the

environmental law or contract law
trade, if you're in a field

biologist, if you're an engineer
or a survey or an architect

all of those folks. Will be needed
to work on these projects

and and no employee thousands of
Nevadans and and these

projects are starting in the next
few months so some of them as

soon as the next few months exactly
so you know one of the the

arguments I've heard like something,
say coal miners. for

example, they're like well, you
know there's Green New deal

comes and I'm gonna lose my job
as a coal minor. Well, I mean

you know of course and buggy makers
had to adapt to when the

car was was made. Have to you know
adopt with the times and get

retrained for new jobs and that's
how it's gonna be with this

type of clean energy future. So
I also feel that to have

political will as you mentioned
Senator would involve a lot of

education and just you know when
I talk to people about how

many birds are killed on the mirror
systems of of solar

projects, people are are dumb founded.
they didn't know so the

clear the key is education you know.
Informing people letting

them know what's at stake, you know
all of our futures are

state and especially you know our
children and our

grandchildren's futures as well.
So anyway, I would like to

thank you all for speaking today.
It was very interesting. It's

really good to hear from different
fields. you know coming from

in the environmental and ecological
field. so it's really

awesome to hear you know people
from the political spectrum and

from the engineering and academia
field so. Thank you Marcus,

for and of course, Cindy you know
from activism field and yeah.

Thank you all for coming at least
thank you for offering to

host us before this little bit upright
happens. then yeah, this

has been a wonderful way to spend
a Sunday afternoon so over to

you, Marcus Thank you. Yeah. I mean
that's about it. you all

covered it. I think that we can
leave it at that. Thank you if

you're still like if you're still
on the panel or still

listening in. thank you so much
for. helping us put together

what I think was a was once we like
once we got a few things

figured out a successful event.
I like I mean I feel like I've

learned a lot today and I am really
excited for what's it like

for what's next in an environmental
activism in general and

with the Green team and with everything
that everyone on it

like on our panel is like has done
and is doing so I will leave

it at. Thank you all so much have
a great rest of your Sunday.

Thank you so much alright take care.
Thanks appreciate all of

your time. Alright. Bye bye.

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